On May 5, 12:55Â pm, Reality Scan
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>>> On May 5, 11:25 am, Reality Scan
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>>> On May 5, 11:40 am, "Pieter" wrote:
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>>>> "Deborah"
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>>>>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 23:36:49 +0200, "Pieter"
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>>>>>>"Gene"
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>>>>>>news:Xns9A94824BE7E9Egenewardsmithsbcglob@207.115.17.102...>>>>>>> The spiritual eye literally CANNOT SEE error, and merely
>>>>>>> looks for Atonement.
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>>>>>>> Atonement is for all, because it is the way to UNDO the
>>>>>>> belief that ANYTHING is for you ALONE. To forgive is to
>>>>>>> OVERLOOK. Look, then, BEYOND error, and do not let your
>>>>>>> perception rest UPON it, for you will believe what your
>>>>>>> perception HOLDS. Accept as true only what your brother IS,
>>>>>>> if you would know yourself.
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>>>>>>> The ego has a plan of forgiveness, because you are ASKING for
>>>>>>> one, but not of the right teacher. The EGO'S plan, of course,
>>>>>>> MAKES NO SENSE and WILL NOT WORK. By following it, you will
>>>>>>> merely place yourself in an impossible situation, to which
>>>>>>> the ego ALWAYS leads you. Its plan is to have you SEE ERROR
>>>>>>> CLEARLY FIRST, and THEN overlook it. But how CAN you overlook
>>>>>>> what you have made real? By seeing it clearly, you HAVE made
>>>>>>> it real, and CANNOT overlook it.
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>>>>>>Fresh air.
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>>>>> Trouble is, if you smelled something putrid in the atmosphere here,
>>>>> then you weren't applying the Holy Spirit's killfile. Â Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, I'm not suggesting it's easy to do.
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>>>> The point is: when I smell "something putrid
>>>> in the atmosphere here", then it is my own
>>>> ego, which I am busy to relinquish but did
>>>> not yet relinquish completely, that is irritated
>>>> by it. With the help of the Holy Spirit I can
>>>> relinquish this part of it, which means further
>>>> healing of my mind. The Holy Spirit can
>>>> remove from me only what I consciously
>>>> give to Him.
>>>> I agree that it's not always easy to do.
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>>>>> Deborah (BC)
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>>> Awe geez. Talk about intellectualizing course teachings!
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>>> The course is not asking you to eat a turd mistakenly placed on your
>>> dinner plate at a restaurant.
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>>> If you are saying the course is teaching you to eat the turd, perhaps
>>> its only your faulty ego thinking which can't get a handle around
>>> basic course concepts which is convincing you to eat the turd.
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>>> Errors imply correction. Atonement or undoing, or the undoing of
>>> mental error is the correction though the miracle.
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>>> The dumb notion that mental errors are somehow corrected by
>>> overlooking errors, assumes first that a mind itself in error can
>>> recognize error, and then a mind in error can decide by its own effort
>>> to make what it actively believes "not real."
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>>> There is no reason to believe the healed or healing mind does not
>>> smell putrid, because the course tells us as the mind is healed it
>>> becomes increasing less tolerant and not LESS tolerant of errors.
>>> Moreover the author tells us to join his crusade to correct errors in
>>> ourselves and others.
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>>> So the question is how are errors which are always errors of thought --
>>> corrected?
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>>> Moreover, Atonement is collective and you do not see nor understand
>>> the larger picture. Its might seem to your ego reasoning that you can
>>> overlook putrid posting like mocking the Holy Spirit, while the larger
>>> picture may very well consider how such posting effects other brother
>>> more vulnerable you to written words.
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>>> So you don't know. In the process such dumb, highly abstract
>>> reasoning, out of full context is making a practical course, highly
>>> impractical, and little more than wishful thinking that if I close my
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>> Hi John. I think we are in choice here again. Have you been following
>> what I've been saying in other threads that it is all a choice in how
>> something is percieved or do you think I'm crazy and that reality IS
>> reality and there is no choice?
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> Well what do you mean by this sloppy thinking? Â Are you saying you
> could choose to perceive a cardboard box as a spaceship and by this
> choice you and your neighbors could take a ride to the moon?
No I'm saying I can choose a cardboard box to be joyful or hurtful or
neutral. Let me change this to a better example of what I'm saying.
I'm saying Katie's posts here don't have to be an f-ing disaster as
the ego wants her to be seen, instead by my choice and the Holy
Spirits help, she can be seen as a help for me to practice ACIM and to
extend love, no matter what she says or does.
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> Moreover, a course basic is Reality is Reality and any choice you make
> doesn't effect Reality. That you think you can alter Reality by choice
> is the authority problem.
I think any event or person can be seen in two ways. The egos way or
the Holy Spirits way. I don't think I have an authority problem as all
I want is the Holy Spirits perception and I think that comes from my
true self, which comes from God. But it IS my choice which perception
I decide I want for myself. I'm not altering reality I'm choosing
which one I want as there are always 2 to choose from. We are the
creators children, doesn't it make sense that we create our own
reality even here by our choices of perception?
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> In addition, changing your perceptions/beliefs by your own efforts
> does not heal mental errors.
But it DOES! Because I choose to see Katie as a help to me, there is
no error as I'm aligned with the Holy Spirits perception. The only
error would be to choose to see her as anything but perfect and
sinless. Isn't this what ACIM teaches?
If one is in closed system of systemic
> error, correction cannot be accomplished within that system, rather
> must be corrected from outside the system with an-out-of-the-system
> reference for reality and truth. Which is why errors of thought must
> be healed at the causal level by supplying the love the fear thoughts
> lack, which when accomplished shifts perception to love or a more
> loving perspective.
On this I totally agree but this comes from my choice to see with the
Holy Spirits eyes and to choose his perception instead of my egos.
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> If you change perception without the mental error being healed,
The change of perception, shines away the error that never really
existed except in my own mind BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO SEE IT.
> perception because it changes, can change again. Hence no healing for
> various reasons.
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> The main question and most important answer in A Course in Miracles,
> is if mental errors can be effectively healed, and if they can be
> healed, how specifically is this done.
I think I answered this question above but if I wasn't clear I'll go
over it again.
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