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Group: talk.religion.coursemiracle · Group Profile
Author: Katie
Date: Jul 3, 2007 05:54

"maz" sonset.org> wrote in message
news:79WdnUBclI7O6hTbnZ2dnUVZ8q2dnZ2d@fiberworld.nl...
>>> We all know the blaiming business sucks.
>>
>> If that's so, why do you get so upset by being referred to as a hypocrite?
>
> Um. I think here's the rub: Upset is a catalyst, not an end in itself.

I'm not sure what you're intending to signify by that comment.
>
>> How difficult is it, really, to not blame others, if you do in fact, believe that "blaming
>> sucks"?
>
> Ideally, it is easy! But not in my experience, YET.

Right, but I live in a world full of people who don't find it the least bit difficult. They also
aren't preaching to others what they can't practice for themselves "YET". So,. do you catch
the problem one might have here, in regards to the respect and admiration that are demanded by
you?
>
> I notice the issue has shifted. It seems difficult to the degree
> that projection of guilt is a habit of so-called survival and self preservance.

I'm trying to figure this out, maz. If you get a rash, do you think everyone else has the rash
too?
> and blame falsely promises -what you were saying earier today,
> the 'holier than thou' illusion of elevating oneself by denegrating
> something external PLUS believing this works, and nothing else will.

Do you think a more direct way to address the "holier than thou" issue would be to simply get
over it out of a sense of common sense and general good will toward the rest of humanity, rather
than elevating the syndrome itself to the level of some kind of DivineSuperOlympicEvent that one
must practice diligently for years on end, with only slim hope of ever actually achieving the
goal?
>
>> Especially if you believe that it's something God doesn't want you to do?
>
> IMHO, everything but harmony and peace is less than what we deserve,
> and less than what we are capable of, or consit of . Striving to relativize sporadic
> occurances of guilt (blame and shame) as catalysts for restoring peace
> is therefore making sense to me.

Forgive me for saying so, but you seem to be taking the very long way around.
>
> Faults and mistakes are also universal. We all bump into them.
> Now we can assist each other overcome them. There is the
> power of respect and encouragement, since we want the same result,
> basically, generally and ultimately. IMHO, we're all wired that way ;-)

Do you think there is any problem attached to your idea that we need each other's assistance to
overcome things? That thought always seems to come with an attached sense of self-importance
that is just another set up for the next round of "you need a good punishing for not accepting my
importance and wisdom."

Let's make an analogy here, as this is something that has happened to me a number of times. I
am a trained chef, and I have years of experience as a gourmet cook. I am a fast, efficient
cook, I know my ingredients, equipment,and techniques. Every so often, I have a visitor to my
kitchen who insists that they must "assist" me, by explaining things to me that are completely
inaccurate, fumbling around, mishandling my expensive equipment, abusing my ingredients, etc etc.
Not only don't I want or need their assistance, they become menaces,and invariably these types
cause the destruction of a perfectly wonderful meal, not to mention my nerves and personal
belongings. But they are sure they can be of "help" and "teach" me all sorts of things, because
after all, they just bought Rachael Ray's new cookbook! (Shades of The Spineless Chiropractor!)
.

I have invited talented cooks to join me, however, and I wouldn't turn Jacques Pepin or Gordon
Ramsay away from my kitchen, as their talents and creativity exceed mine, so I would be honored
and delighted.

That's a long way for me to say that I believe we can all ask for help when we need it, from
whom we choose, and we can take delight from the assistance of others and honor them based on
their relative contributions rather than the Pay-Per-View-On-Demand strategies of some whose
sense of Self Importance seems a tad bit skewed and inappropriate, if you take my meaning.
>
> I'd like to share with you a great little book, "ET 101". I think
> you will love it, and it can satisfy your fine sense of humor along
> with really wise observations. Cosmis Manuals come handy when we are
> a million lightyears aways from home, but have forgot to bring
> a toothbrush. :-)

Honestly maz, those new age books do nothing for me. I dumped piles and piles of them a few
years back, and have replaced them all with literary classics, which I find to be immensely more
enjoyable, inspiring, and enlightening.

I refer you instead to Charles Dickens, as he might shine some lights for you on the state of the
human condition as experienced by one very astute and compassionate observer and participant,
rather than by some elite minded sci-fi nut who has more respect for the theorized inhabitants of
the Pleaides than those of us with whom he must interact. (Shades of Gene Ward Smith).
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