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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Aug 24, 2007 22:09
Are you sure you aren't a Catholic? Because this isn't the Course view at
all. Reaching as high as you can is a matter of returning to what God
created. Suffering is not essential for the Atonement: "The Crucifixion
did NOT establish the Atonement. The Resurrection did. This is a point
which many very sincere Christians have misunderstood. Nobody who was
free of the scarcity-fallacy could POSSIBLY have made this mistake."
To say we must suffer to reach as high as we can is the scarcity fallacy,
according to this. Something is lacking, and must be *paid for*. That
payment is due only makes sense with a belief in scarcity.
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Author: DeborahDeborah Date: Aug 24, 2007 22:39
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:09:57 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
chewbacca.org> wrote:
>> Even more interesting than her journals are some of the comments at
>> this site. Tom is right. I would...
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Author: DeborahDeborah Date: Aug 24, 2007 23:04
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:09:57 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
chewbacca.org> wrote:
>> Even more interesting than her journals are some of the comments at
>> this site. Tom is right. I would...
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Author: NancyNancy Date: Aug 25, 2007 08:44
On 24-Aug-2007, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:
>> Even more interesting than her journals are some of the comments at
>> this site. Tom is right. I would...
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Author: TomTom Date: Aug 25, 2007 10:17
Nancy "I think she was right, though, in this sense:
It takes a lot of resolve to change your
thinking, and even more to let Something
Invisible take the wheel. This resolve often
comes when a person has reached his/her
pain threshhold."
~ That is why painkillers, anti-depressants, and alcohol were
invented. To delay that threshold being reached for as long as
possible.
Tom Fox
Louisville, KY
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Author: NancyNancy Date: Aug 25, 2007 17:30
On 25-Aug-2007, Tom yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nancy "I think she was right, though, in this sense:
> It takes a lot of resolve to change your
> thinking, and even more to let Something
> Invisible take the wheel. This resolve often
> comes when a person has reached his/her
> pain threshhold."
>
>
> ~ That is why painkillers, anti-depressants, and alcohol were
> invented. To delay that threshold being reached for as long as
> possible.
So true. :)
n.
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:42
Deborah noemail.com> wrote in
news:ldhvc3d957hevb3bjela6amckr6po00nt7@4ax.com:
>>To say we must suffer to reach as high as we can is the scarcity
>>fallacy, according to this. Something is lacking, and must be *paid
>>for*. That payment is due only makes sense with a belief in scarcity.
>
> Abundance per the course has nothing whatsoever to do with
> materiality.
>
Your remark is utterly irrelevant. Do you have a point?
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:50
Deborah noemail.com> wrote in
news:vmfvc3dejo3fq3iedhn45t4aa7lbqpo2b2@4ax.com:
> The ego has to die before the spirit can be resurrected. Pure ACIM.
It is not pure ACIM, and ACIM in fact contradicts this claim. Spirit does
not need to be reserrected, and the ego is not killed. It is a mistake
which is given up, but note that Jesus makes use of his learning from
bodily life extensively.
>>"Do not make the pathetic human error of "clinging to the old rugged
>>cross." The only message of the crucifixion is in respect for man's
>>ability to OVERCOME the cross. Unless he does so, he is free to
>>crucify himself as often as he chooses. But this was NOT the gospel I
>>intended to offer him."
>
> The ability to OVERCOME the cross presupposes a cross.
Read the passage again. The cross is the cross you believe in and insist
on nailing yourself to. It is that cross which you overcome by not
crucifying yourelf over and over.
> Get off your Sheryl Valentine/Tom Fox tribute, and stick to the
> course, Gene.
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