On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:48:26 GMT, Stephen Calder
in.com.au>
wrote:
>mr bill wrote:
>
>> i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion, but my
>> ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the illusions. acim
>> says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of denial, and the same
>> holds true for the rest of the universe(s). everything that appears to be
>> there is indeed there, it is the appearance of it that is not really there.
>
>If you look at it closely that doesn't make sense. You're saying you're
>seeing something physical that's really there, but not seeing it as it is.
>
>What the Course is saying is that the physical world is a dream, and
>therefore nothing at all. There IS nothing there but your ideas. The
>ideas ARE the world you see. "My thoughts are images I have made".
Your thought is real enough:
"Protect all things you value by the act of giving them away, and you
are sure that you will never lose them. What you thought you did not
have is thereby proven yours. Yet value not its form. For this will
change and grow unrecognizable in time, however much you try to keep
it safe. No form endures. It is the thought behind the form of things
that lives unchangeable" (W.PI.187.4)
Deborah (BC)
>The Course's goal is the restoration of Vision, which has nothing to do
>with the body's eyes.
>
>
>> it is the ideas that i have about the world, about my brothers, about god,
>> and about everything that are my illusions and are all i ever need to give
>> up. when i let go of what i think about reality, i then open the door to
>> experiencing reality as reality, rather than just my idea of reality.
>> :)
>>
>
>
>Right. That's out-of-time reality, which has nothing to to with the
>illusion/projection.
