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Author: mr billmr bill Date: Jan 27, 2008 07:51
i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion, but my
ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the illusions. acim
says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of denial, and the same
holds true for the rest of the universe(s). everything that appears to be
there is indeed there, it is the appearance of it that is not really there.
it is the ideas that i have about the world, about my brothers, about god,
and about everything that are my illusions and are all i ever need to give
up. when i let go of what i think about reality, i then open the door to
experiencing reality as reality, rather than just my idea of reality.
:)
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"Stephen Calder" in.com.au> wrote in message
news:4799e377@news.mel.dft.com.au...> Deborah wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:07:35 +0100, "Pieter"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An illusion...
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Author: Lotus_BloomLotus_Bloom Date: Jan 27, 2008 08:26
That would also include your ideas about what you perceive as liars.
Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another.
Love all, or none of it, and stop complaining. When you have seen
the dream as a dream, you have done all that need be done. ~Nisargadatta
"mr bill" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IX1nj.40613$Wt7.25829@newsfe14.phx...>i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion, but my
>ideas of the universe and of everything...
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Author: PieterPieter Date: Jan 27, 2008 13:25
"mr bill" yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:U7Rmj.18554$ov5.17391@newsfe15.phx...> "it" refers to anything. to say that anything is an illusion would be a
> judgment that whatever it is is an illusion. even forgiveness is a
> judgment.
>
> what is illusion but an idea?
>
> what is the holy spirit but an idea?
>
> what is god but an idea?
>
> what are all of them but words intended to convey ideas? now i know that
> you can use words to point to even more words in acim, but so what? what
> do they mean?
>
> i mean it.
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Author: Stephen CalderStephen Calder Date: Jan 27, 2008 13:48
mr bill wrote:
> i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion, but my
> ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the illusions. acim
> says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of denial, and the same
> holds true for the rest of the universe(s). everything that appears to be
> there is indeed there, it is the appearance of it that is not really there.
If you look at it closely that doesn't make sense. You're saying you're
seeing something physical that's really there, but not seeing it as it is.
What the Course is saying is that the physical world is a dream, and
therefore nothing at all. There IS nothing there but your ideas. The
ideas ARE the world you see. "My thoughts are images I have made".
The Course's goal is the restoration of Vision, which has nothing to do
with the body's eyes.
> it is the ideas that i have about the world, about my brothers, about god,
> and about everything that are my illusions and are all i ever need to give
> up. when i let go of what i think about reality, i then open the door to
> experiencing reality as reality, rather than just my idea of reality.
> :)
>
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Author: DeborahDeborah Date: Jan 27, 2008 14:14
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:48:26 GMT, Stephen Calder in.com.au>
wrote:
>mr bill wrote:
>
>> i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion, but my
>> ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the illusions. acim
>> says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of denial, and the same
>> holds true for the rest of the universe(s). everything that appears to be
>> there is indeed there, it is the appearance of it that is not really there.
>
>If you look at it closely that doesn't make sense. You're saying you're
>seeing something physical that's really there, but not seeing it as it is.
>
>What the Course is saying is that the physical world is a dream, and
>therefore nothing at all. There IS nothing there but your ideas. The
>ideas ARE the world you see. "My thoughts are images I have made".
Your thought is real enough:
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Author: LeeLee Date: Jan 27, 2008 14:20
Stephen Calder in.com.au> wrote:> mr bill wrote:
>
>> i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion,
>> but my ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the
>> illusions. acim says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of
>> denial, and the same holds true for the rest of the universe(s).
>> everything that appears to be there is indeed there, it is the
>> appearance of it that is not really there.
>
> If you look at it closely that doesn't make sense. You're saying
> you're seeing something physical that's really there, but not seeing
> it as it is.
> What the Course is saying is that the physical world is a dream, and
> therefore nothing at all. There IS nothing there but your ideas. The
> ideas ARE the world you see. "My thoughts are images...
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Author: Stephen CalderStephen Calder Date: Jan 27, 2008 15:35
Lee wrote:
> Stephen Calder in.com.au> wrote:>> mr bill wrote:
>>
>>> i disagree. it is not the physical universe that is the illusion,
>>> but my ideas of the universe and of everything in it that are the
>>> illusions. acim says that denial of the body is an unworthy form of
>>> denial, and the same holds true for the rest of the universe(s).
>>> everything that appears to be there is indeed there, it is the
>>> appearance of it that is not really there.
>> If you look at it closely that doesn't make sense. You're saying
>> you're seeing something physical that's really there, but not seeing
>> it as it is.
>> What the Course is saying is that the physical world is a dream, and
>> therefore nothing at all. There IS nothing there but your ideas. The
>> ideas ARE the world you see. "My thoughts are images I have made".
>>
>> The Course's goal is the restoration of Vision, which has nothing to
>> do with the body's eyes.
> ...
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Author: mr billmr bill Date: Jan 27, 2008 17:37
i have looked at it closely and see that it makes perfect sense. i am saying
that all anyone can see is their idea of what they are looking at. "my
thoughts are images that i have made" is exactly why all anyone can see is
their own ideas of things. "there is no world" is only true because i can
only see the world of my thoughts, i cannot see the world as it is. it can
only be my ideas of the world that condemn the world i see, that is why
forgiving the world is nothing more than "i release you from my
condemnation."
vision does not depend on the body's eyes, but that does not mean that it
has nothing to do with the body's eyes. the body is neutral, and the body's
eyes can only show the mind what the mind is looking for. vision is the mind
letting go of what it seeks, and allowing what is, to be.
:)
--
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069
http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
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Author: mr billmr bill Date: Jan 27, 2008 17:40
> "mr bill" yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
> news:U7Rmj.18554$ov5.17391@newsfe15.phx...>> "it"...
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