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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Apr 22, 2008 09:59
I mentioned a dialog on the question of what to make of the (sub)Urtext
passages on God creating matter I had with Robert Perry. Subsequent to that
there appeared this:
http://www.circleofa.org/articles/UrtextPassages.php
It has a discussion of the issue which makes sense of it, I think.
I recently found something in the Cayce readings which is supportive,
namely this:
"For as He gave, 'If I go not away the Spirit of Truth cometh not.' What
meaneth this? Not merely the passing. For it was the moving of the Spirit
that brought materiality into existence as a THING, as a condition, for the
souls and spirits and minds of men!"
The "spirit of truth" in the Bible passage is the Holy Spirit, and so this
is saying that it was the Holy Spirit which brought materiality into
existence "as a thing". Remarkable.
Here is Perry's idea of what might have happened:
So, what is the relationship between God and the making of the world? I
don't know the details, but I suspect that the big picture is something
like this: In Heaven, we fell into the belief in separation...
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Author: MikeMike Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:21
On Apr 22, 11:59Â am, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:> I mentioned a dialog on the question of what to make of the (sub)Urtext
> passages on God creating matter I had with Robert Perry. Subsequent to that
> there appeared this:
>
> http://www.circleofa.org/articles/UrtextPassages.php
>
> It has a discussion of the issue which makes sense of it, I think.
>
> I recently found something in the Cayce readings which is supportive,
> namely this:
>
> "For as He gave, 'If I go not away the Spirit of Truth cometh not.' Â What
> meaneth this? Â Not merely the passing. For it was the moving of the Spirit
> that brought materiality into existence as a THING, as a condition, for the
> souls and spirits and minds of men!"
>
> The "spirit of truth" in the Bible passage is the Holy Spirit, and so this
> is saying that it was the Holy Spirit which brought materiality into
> existence "as a thing". Remarkable. ...
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:31
> Cereally, very interesting post. Can you cite which Cayce
> reading you found this? Always liked Ed. What is your
> reaction to Perry's analysis of how the HS created
> time/matter?
I don't know what good it will do you, but it was in 1947-1, a life reading
for a woman born October 19, 1907, in Pendleton, Oregon. As foe Perry's
analysis, I don't quite know how to react since he pretty much adopted my
views, though the timeless, confused post-separation state reflects his own
thinking. Amd he could be right.
I wish the Course were more explicit on various issues.
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Author: MikeMike Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:37
On Apr 22, 12:31Â pm, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:>> Cereally, very interesting post. Â Can you cite which Cayce
>> Â reading you found this? Â Always liked Ed. Â What is your
>> Â reaction to Perry's analysis of how the HS created
>> Â time/matter?
>
> I don't know what good it will do you, but it was in 1947-1, a life reading
> for a woman born October 19, 1907, in Pendleton, Oregon. As foe Perry's
> analysis, I don't quite know how to react since he pretty much adopted my
> views, though the timeless, confused post-separation state reflects his own
> thinking. Amd he could be right.
>
> I wish the Course were more explicit on various issues.
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:48
> Still, I find it impossible not to be curious about them
> and will continue to try to unravel the sequence of
> events and who did what to whom.
Here's one question for you: did the separation idea arise in just one Son,
and then spread? Sort of like a chain reaction.
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Author: MikeMike Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:54
On Apr 22, 12:48Â pm, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:>> Â Still, I find it impossible not to be curious about them
>> Â and will continue to try to unravel the sequence of
>> Â events and who did what to whom.
>
> Here's one question for you: did the separation idea arise in just one Son,
> and then spread? Sort of like a chain reaction.
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Author: DeborahDeborah Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:58
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:21:31 -0700 (PDT), Mike yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Apr 22, 11:59Â am, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:>> I mentioned a dialog on the question of what to make of the (sub)Urtext
>> passages on God creating matter I had with Robert Perry....
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Author: zehnonerzehnoner Date: Apr 22, 2008 11:02
On Apr 22, 1:54Â pm, Mike yahoo.com> wrote:> On Apr 22, 12:48Â pm, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Â Still, I find it impossible not to be curious about them
>>> Â and will continue to try to unravel the sequence of
>>> Â events and who did what to whom.
>
>> Here's one question for you: did the separation idea arise in just one Son,
>> and then spread? Sort of like a chain reaction.
>
> Â I have thought about this. Â What I believe is that the
> Â separation idea arose individually in many sons at
> Â the same time. Â Kind of like everyone taking the SATs.
> Â I think of the idea of the two pictures.
> Â Don't hold me too closely to this metaphor but it is
> Â like we were all shown the two pictures at the same
> Â time. Â Those of us who chose the frame chose ...
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Author: mazmaz Date: Apr 22, 2008 11:07
On 22 apr, 18:59, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:> I mentioned a dialog on the question of what to make of the (sub)Urtext
> passages on God creating matter I had with Robert Perry. Subsequent to that
> there appeared this:
>
> http://www.circleofa.org/articles/UrtextPassages.php
>
> It has a discussion of the issue which makes sense of it, I think.
>
> I recently found something in the Cayce readings which is supportive,
> namely this:
>
> "For as He gave, 'If I go not away the Spirit of Truth cometh not.' Â What
> meaneth this? Â Not merely the passing. For it was the moving of the Spirit
> that brought materiality into existence as a THING, as a condition, for the
> souls and spirits and minds of men!"
>
> The "spirit of truth" in the Bible passage is the Holy Spirit, and so this
> is saying that it was the Holy Spirit which brought materiality into
> existence "as a thing". Remarkable. ...
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Author: mazmaz Date: Apr 22, 2008 10:56
On 22 apr, 18:59, Gene Ward Smith chewbacca.org> wrote:> I mentioned a dialog on the question of what to make of the (sub)Urtext
> passages on God creating matter I had with Robert Perry. Subsequent to that
> there appeared this:
>
> http://www.circleofa.org/articles/UrtextPassages.php
>
> It has a discussion of the issue which makes sense of it, I think.
>
> I recently found something in the Cayce readings which is supportive,
> namely this:
>
> "For as He gave, 'If I go not away the Spirit of Truth cometh not.' Â What
> meaneth this? Â Not merely the passing. For it was the moving of the Spirit
> that brought materiality into existence as a THING, as a condition, for the
> souls and spirits and minds of men!"
>
> The "spirit of truth" in the Bible passage is the Holy Spirit, and so this
> is saying that it was the Holy Spirit which brought materiality into
> existence "as a thing". Remarkable. ...
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