"Paulo Gomes Jardim"
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news:op.t06o2o2lurn6af@moonbase...> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:10:30 -0000, Agamemnon
> wrote:
>
> Hello Agamemnon,
>
> I have two preliminary questions in your interesting commentary.
>
> [..]>> With a little help from the PDF file of the above (which is almost
>> illegible), Jerome's Chronicon, the Parian Marble and the following
>> dissertation by Herman L. Hoeh
>>
http://www.cgca.net/coglinks/wcglit/hh_cmpndm2.txt I've more or less
>> cracked the chronology and worked out where it came from. It is highly
>> unlikely that the original source is Berosus but if it dates to the time
>> of Berosus then he obviously copied it from a Greek source in the
>> Library of Alexandria. The original source for this material is clearly
>> Roman. The Romans compiled it from Phrygian accounts that came to them
>> from the Greeks probably in the year that Alexander the Great was born
>> when the Roman Library burned down and they were forced to use Greek
>> sources to recreated their history. The fact that this text makes Noah
>> the ancestor of all Europeans means that the account of the decedents of
>> Noah as given in Genesis cannot have existed before the 3rd century BC
>> since no one except the Greeks and the Romans would have used the
>> account before then. Before Alexander the Europeans were nothing. Before
>> 260 BC the Romans were nothing. The source is clearly Roman and this
>> places the creation of the first part Book of Genesis at the time of the
>> Maccabees in 167 BC when Judas Maccebbe made an alliance with Rome.
>
> First - Why do you say the Genesis account is posterior to this one? Isn't
Because Herodotus says nothing of Western Europe. If a history had been
written he would have mentioned it. The problem is that all the Europeans
are made to be descended or related to the Trojans and the Maeonians and
this is obviously the work of the Romans. Manes the king of Maeonia is made
to be Hercules the father of Athus (Atys), but this Athus dates to the time
of Dardanus not to the original Athus who the Travels of Noah says was 4
generations earlier. Hercules/Manes is obviously being confused with Maeones
the father of Attis and Cybele therefore it is certain that the origin of
this entire chronology is the Tyrrhenians who Herodotus says where descended
from Atys the son of Manes, and Berosus who lived after Herodotus got the
history from the Romans who extended it the decent from their God Ianus to
the rest of Europe when they conquered it and began merging local
chronologies with their own alleged ancestors and Gods. The Tyrrhenians
obtained the story of the Flood from the Maeonians and the Greeks. Titea the
wife of Noah is clearly the Roman name Leticia. Noah is surnamed Ianus which
is a Roman name, or Ogyges which is Scythian and was also the first king of
Athens. In the biblical Book of Noah, Noah is described as blonde or
redheaded, like the Scyths. Noah is clearly not Jewish in origin but
European.
Berosus is the only means by which the Jews could have got hold of this
chronology but where did Berosus get it from?
He could not have made contact with the Romans until 260 BC (assuming he was
still alive at this time) when the Romans first made contact with the
Greeks.
> it possible that they could be drinking from the same source, the
> legendary reccounts of ancient peoples, and have independent evolution,
> each on their own?
If a unified history existed then someone would have been able to identify
Danaus with Manes but Josephus thought that Danaus and Aegyptus were Seti I
and Ramses I and Herodotus considered them different people, so this
Manes/Herakles was only extant in Tyrrhenian history, but not called
Herakles since Herodotus would have mentioned when he referred to Herakles
in Book 2.
On top of this the Travels of Noah gets the Argive king list wrong and makes
Aegealus king of Achaia making him as son of Osiris (Picus) whereas the
correct king at this time would have been Crotopus if the author was working
with a unified chronology which had all the dates and reigns correctly
doccumented. On top of this Achaia was not the name used to refer to Greece
until the Romans started warring with the Macedonians in about 260 BC and
Aegealus was not an Argive king but a king of Sicyon. What the author had
actualy done is taken the same Argive king list as Eusebius/Jerome or the
one given in the Parian Marble (which dates to 260 BC), realised that Achaia
used to be Sicyon, found out that Aegialeus was the brother of Phoroneus the
king of Argos and seen that he dated to 1820 BC (he can't have been using
Sicyonian chronology which dates him to before 2000 BC since it counts
winters and summers as different years and also seasons as years) and that
this was also the date of Osirs (Picus) in the Trojan historical text he was
using and added him to the account. The problem is that all the "years"
prior to 1415 BC in Trojan chronoloy are not years but seasons and therefore
need to be divided by 4 to get the correct date which should be 1500 BC for
Osiris (Picus).
The book of Jasher also points to a Roman source since it is describing
Roman history in Palestine and Egypt but makes the Romans decended from
Esau.
So lets see what histories did exist.
We know the account of the Trojan War was contained in Egyptian history
since Herodotus metions it and the inscription of Ramses III proves Menelaus
invaded Egypt in 1175 BC which is when Greece historians say he did as
Herodotus and Euripides wrote. We also know that the story of the Exodus was
made up from an Egyptian account of an invasion of Egypt by foreign tribes
including Trojans who were expelled by Merneptah and Seti II according to
the Merneptah Stela and to Manetho. So once again we have another Trojan
connection.
Obviously the Jews are using Trojan chronology obtained from the Romans and
they had absolutely no idea that winters and summers were being counted as
different years and seasons were being counted as years in their own Bible.
Josephus who was supposed to be a priest had no idea when the Exodus was and
decided to placed it wrongly at the time of the Hyksos when it in fact dates
to the same year that Troy was captured when you add the biblical reigns up
properly since the years of the Patriarchs from Abraham to Joshua count
winters and summers as different years, the book of Judges counts seasons as
years and the books of Kings/Chronicles uses normal years some times and
winters and summers as different years at others. As I have proven right
here
http://www.enthymia.co.uk/myths/bible/
>
>> If Genesis is the first book of the Bible then the other books must be
>> later. Kings/Chronicles were probably created when the Maccebbees raided
>> the tombs of the kings of Israel and Judea and stripped them bare as
>> recorded by Josephus.
>
> Second - Genesis is placed at the beggining of the Torah/Bible for
> convenient reasons, as it provides an usefull context to the following
> books. It seems to be a sort of preface, like "the Hobbit" for the "Lord
> of the Rings", if we may bring Tolkien into this. :)
> This doesn't necessary mean they were the first to be written. In fact, I
> suspect that practical books such as the Leviticum and the Deuteronomium,
> which contain the written law, the organizational basis for the Hebrew
> people, would possibly have precedence over this kind of "story telling"
> as we see on the Genesis.
> What do you think?
I think that the biblical books of Kings/Chronicles, the book of Judges and
books of Samuel were constructed from the records of the Egyptians and went
back as far as the time that Tory was captured since the so-called exodus
occurred in the same year that the Greeks laid siege to Troy (1192 BC). This
is as far back as Jewish history went originally. There was no account of
any Exodus since no such thing occurred in history. The true events are that
the Trojans and their allies invaded Egypt and were expelled by the Egyptian
king Merneptah as is stated in his inscription. The Pentateuch was then
concocted based on Maeonian-Phrygian-Trojan histories which documented
Mittani rule over Palestine and the Trojan conquest of Egypt which entered
the Library of Alexandria in 260 BC, as part of Berosus Chaldean history,
obtained from the Romans who learned it from the Trojans and Tyrrhenians who
were descended from the Maeonians. This takes us all the way back to the
time of the Thera Erruption in 1628 BC. The story of Adam starts in about
1750 BC and this probably connected with Hyksos rule over Asia-Minor and
Egypt. The Hyksos being a mixture of Minoan Greeks and Phoenicians.
Up until the time of Herod and probably even until the time Titus destroy
their Temple the Jews were Polytheistic and worshiped exactly the same Gods
as the Phoenicians. Whereas Homer inserted the Greek Gods into his account
of the Trojan War the Jews inserted the names of the Phoenician Gods into
the Bible, which you can still identify in the Hebrew text and were
identified as such by Porphyry and Philo of Bilbus as Eusebius states.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulo
>
> --
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> (Sun Tzu, The Art of War)
