On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 12, 5:23В pm, Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:34:29 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
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>>>Curiously, Kurt Godel, the famous mathematician and logician -- you
>>>know, the uncertainty and undefinability theorems?-- actually did
>>>write a proof of the existence of God.
>>
>> If he did, he was wrong. There can be no such proof. There is certainly
>> no evidence to support any gods.
>>
>>>He defined God as the
>>>coexistence of all possible states of being. Most intelligent
>>>religious people, however, would say that their concept of God
>>>transcends all logic. Purely undefinable. Possibly, by definition.
>>
>> Yes, if you define God as nothing, then you can prove that God has
>> absolutely the same impact on the world as nothing.
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>Saying God is undefinable is not the same as saying God is nothing.
No, it's worse. It a complete copout, but a refusal to go where the
evidence leads.
>It is simply saying that we don't understand everything.
No, it is not. It is a claim that is designed to make it impossible to
question the religious doctrines that you are teaching. It's an excuse
for the lack of evidence. Nothing in the world supports the claim that
God is undefinable.
>Atheists
>seem to think that they do. That is where we disagree. Athesists are
>precisely as ignorant as the rest of us. They just are frightened of
>acknowledging that fact.
The anti-science religionists are far more ignorant, intentionally so.
