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Date: May 3, 2008 07:23
Dave K wrote:
>> I will distinguish between the atemporal or timeless self and the self
>> at time t1,t2,t3... and etc. Similarly, one cannot drop the atemporal
>> norms...
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Date: May 3, 2008 07:31
"Raymond" nizuy.com> wrote in message
news:abho14h7dpg02fbilip7tn79hm1upviqhg@4ax.com...> On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:43:25 -0700 (PDT), "ltlee1@ hotmail.com"
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at any time, it
>>is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an illusion.
>
> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself? Is the
> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer waken up
> yet?
now you sound like castenada
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Author: ltlee1ltlee1 Date: May 3, 2008 07:33
On May 3, 7:01Â am, Raymond nizuy.com> wrote:> On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:43:25 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@ hotmail.com"
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> hotmail.com> wrote:>>The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look at it at any time, it
>>is an illusion and can be dropped. But this is also an illusion.
>
> How can the realization of illusion be an illusion itself? Â Is the
> dreamer still dreaming when he wakes up? or has the dreamer waken up
> yet?
1.The self we can know is always time limited. It is like a snapshot
of an arrow in flight. It is never the true self because the
dynamicism of an arrow in flight or the real self cannot be captured.
Why our mind cannot function like a camcorder? One explanation is too
many junks inside.
2. Whether we do anything or not, we are always dropping the self at
time t.Let us call it self(t). But as soon as we drop self t, we are
picking up self(t+1). So, one's awareness of dropping the self is also
an illusion.
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Author: Jim WalshJim Walsh Date: May 3, 2008 07:38
> The self we can know is always time limited.
If you are discussing Buddhism, you are way off. There is no self at all.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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Author: KeynesKeynes Date: May 3, 2008 08:18
On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:23:19 -0400, Tang Huyen
gmail.com[remove]> wrote:
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>
>Dave K wrote:
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>>> I will distinguish between the atemporal or timeless self and the self
>>> at time t1,t2,t3... and etc. Similarly, one cannot...
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Date: May 3, 2008 08:32
"Keynes" earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
news:itvo14h2jkcl4snms2m38fv41t6iguv9i7@4ax.com...> On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:23:19 -0400, Tang Huyen
> gmail.com[remove]> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>Dave K wrote:
>>
>>>> I will distinguish between the atemporal or timeless self and the self
>>>> at time t1,t2,t3... and etc. Similarly, one cannot drop the atemporal
>>>> norms and standards. But should drop the temporal norms and standards
>>>> or the self's relationshipt with these standards and norms. To be more
>>>> specific, I would say standars and norms are only standards and norms
>>>> because they have power relationships with the self. What can be
>>>> dropped are by default limited by time. We cannot drop anytime which
>>>> is timeless. Limited by time also mean non-optimal.
>>>> ...
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Author: ltlee1ltlee1 Date: May 3, 2008 08:33
On May 3, 10:23Â am, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
wrote:> Dave K wrote:
>
>>> I will distinguish between the atemporal or timeless self and the self
>>> at time t1,t2,t3... and etc. Similarly, one cannot drop the atemporal
>>> norms and standards. But should drop the temporal norms and standards
>>> or the self's relationshipt with these standards and norms. To be more
>>> specific, I would say standars and norms are only standards and norms
>>> because they have power relationships with the self. Â What can be
>>> dropped are by default limited by time. We cannot drop anytime which
>>> is timeless. Limited by time also mean non-optimal.
>
>>> One of Zeno's paradox goes like this: If we take snapshots of an arrow
>>> in flight at any time t, the arrow will have an exact position. So it
>>> is not moving at time t. If the arrow in flight is not moving at t, it
>>> cannot be moving at time t-1 or t+1. Hence an arrow in flgiht is an
>>> illlusion.
> ...
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Author: KeynesKeynes Date: May 3, 2008 08:40
On Sat, 3 May 2008 11:32:18 -0400, "^@%%>---*=#" hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"Keynes" earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
>news:itvo14h2jkcl4snms2m38fv41t6iguv9i7@4ax.com...>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:23:19 -0400, Tang Huyen
>> gmail.com[remove]> wrote...
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Author: RaymondRaymond Date: May 3, 2008 09:10
On Sat, 3 May 2008 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT), "ltlee1@ hotmail.com"
hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 3, 7:01?am, Raymond nizuy.com> wrote:>> On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:43:25 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@ hotmail.com"
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>> hotmail.com> wrote:>>>The self is like an arrow in flight. If we look...
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Date: May 3, 2008 09:57
"Keynes" earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
news:ko1p14tric5aiec2rigirrr4ru7kjqrd5n@4ax.com...> On Sat, 3 May 2008 11:32:18 -0400, "^@%%>---*=#" hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>"Keynes" earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
>>news:itvo14h2jkcl4snms2m38fv41t6iguv9i7@4ax.com...>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:23:19 -0400, Tang Huyen
>>> gmail.com[remove]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave K wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I will distinguish between the atemporal or timeless self and the
>>>>>> self
>>>>>> at time t1,t2,t3... and etc. Similarly, one cannot drop the ...
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