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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein Date: Sep 6, 2007 07:37
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>>They are peripheral to the core beliefs of the religion, but not to the
>>cultural structure of the religion. I like to separate those too, as
>>they do in the inner teachings of the religions; eg, Sufism in Islam,
>>Kabbalah in Judaism, contemplative Catholic monastic traditions with the
>>goal of Union with God rather than worship, centering down in
>>Quakerism, zen (footnote to Tang forthcoming) and Vipassana in Buddhism,
>>Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism, etc., etc.
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>>These inner teachings which teach the presence of the divine rather than
>>cultural and comparative distinctions, are much more accepting of other
>>teachings that are teaching similar things. And they are always removed
>>from society in order to reach that understanding, as social norms will
>>always overtake the institutional aspect of religion.
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>>Thomas Merton, a Catholic contemplative, happily took lessons from zen ...
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Author: JulianJulian Date: Sep 6, 2007 10:20
"Robert Epstein" verizon.net> wrote > Tang Huyen wrote:
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>> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>>>They are peripheral to the core beliefs of the religion, but not to the
>>>cultural structure of the religion. I like to separate those too, as
>>>they do in the inner teachings of the religions; eg, Sufism in Islam,
>>>Kabbalah in Judaism, contemplative Catholic monastic traditions with the
>>>goal of Union with God rather than worship, centering down in
>>>Quakerism, zen (footnote to Tang forthcoming) and Vipassana in Buddhism,
>>>Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism, etc., etc.
>>>
>>>These inner teachings which teach the presence of the divine rather than
>>>cultural and comparative distinctions, are much more accepting of other
>>>teachings that are teaching similar things. And they are always removed
>>>from society in order to reach that understanding, as social norms will
>>>always overtake the institutional aspect of religion.
>>> ...
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein Date: Sep 8, 2007 02:16
Julian wrote:
> "Robert Epstein" verizon.net> wrote
> >> Tang Huyen wrote:
>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine or technique.
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>>> Tang Huyen
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>> Have you succeeded in "just letting go" of everything, without the use
>> of any technique?
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> Have you stopped beating your wife?
exactly.
on the other hand, he did say:
>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine or technique. >>>
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Date: Sep 8, 2007 03:25
Robert Epstein wrote:
> on the other hand, he did say:
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>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine
>> or technique.
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> That's like saying, if one has perfect mental balance,
> all your problems will be nonexistent. So what?
So have perfect mental balance! And how? Just
relax and be serene! How is that for simplicity?
It doesn't require any doctrine or technique.
Tang Huyen
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Author: Don Harvey Ignacia del EncantoDon Harvey Ignacia del Encanto Date: Sep 8, 2007 04:14
Tang writes:
> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>> on the other hand, he did say:
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>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine
>>> or technique.
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>> That's like saying, if one has perfect mental balance,
>> all your problems will be nonexistent. So what?
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> So have perfect mental balance! And how? Just
> relax and be serene! How is that for simplicity?
> It doesn't require any doctrine or technique.
Nor gray matter, for that matter (were it to matter).
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Date: Sep 8, 2007 04:25
Don Harvey Ignacia del Encanto wrote:
> Tang writes:
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>> Robert Epstein:
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>>> on the other hand, he did say:
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>>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine
>>>> or technique.
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>>> That's like saying, if one has perfect mental balance,
>>> all your problems will be nonexistent. So what?
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>> So have perfect mental balance! And how? Just
>> relax and be serene! How is that for simplicity?
>> It doesn't require any doctrine or technique.
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> Nor gray matter, for that matter (were it to matter).
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Author: Don Harvey Ignacia del EncantoDon Harvey Ignacia del Encanto Date: Sep 8, 2007 04:34
Tang writes:
> Don Harvey Ignacia del Encanto wrote:
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>> Tang writes:
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>>> Robert Epstein:
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>>>> on the other hand, he did say:
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>>>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine
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Author: Peter OlcottPeter Olcott Date: Sep 8, 2007 05:43
"Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in
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> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>> on the other hand, he did say:
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>>> If one lets go, one doesn't need any doctrine
>>> or technique.
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>> That's like saying, if one has perfect mental balance,
>> all your problems will be nonexistent. So what?
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> So have perfect mental balance! And how? Just
> relax and be serene! How is that for simplicity?
> It doesn't require any doctrine or technique.
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> Tang Huyen
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Author: Sevenhundred ElvesSevenhundred Elves Date: Sep 8, 2007 09:30
tara wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:31:41 -0400, tara wrote
> (in article <0001HW.C30773BD000BD1B6F02845B0@ news.usenetmonster.com>):
> >> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:25:58 -0400, Tang Huyen wrote
>> (in article <13e3uh7j22ra179@news...
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