On May 10, 6:58 pm, DharmaTroll my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Seven rebirths?
>
> Yes, in Buddhist mythology of the Theravadin variety, there are 4
> levels of enlightenment. In Mahayana mythology, a different idea
> emerges, that of the Bodhisattva, who actually foregos enlightenment
> so that he or she will be reborn again and can help others awaken, and
> vows not to abandon them but return until everyone can awaken. While
> some people might take these things literally (and even bicker about
> which mythology is 'true' as if they were facts and not metaphors),
> it's pretty clear to me that they are both helpful guides for living
> the spiritual path in everyday life.
>
> Assuming you're from China, you're probably not familiar with
> Theravadin mythology, as Theravada is more prevalent in places like
> Sri Lanka, Myanmar, and Thailand, and not so much in China. Here's the
> basic story: [snip]
>
> The four stages of enlightenment in Theravada are:
>
> (1) stream-enterer;
> (2) once-returner;
> (3) non-returner;
> (4) arhat.
>
> If you also include those on the path to each of the above four,
> getting ready to advance to the next level, you end up with eight
> levels of spiritual people, the awakened arhat being the highest. The
> Buddha is simply the arhat who happens to be the founder of the
> religion. (In Mahayana, arhats are often put down and often seen as
> selfish, and below Bodhisattvas, and Buddha doesn't refer to the
> founder, but to a whole range of enlightened folks.) However, in
> Theravadin mythology, the arhat is at the top. Here's the breakdown:
>
> The first stage is that of SotÄpanna (Pali; Sanskrit: SrotaÄpanna),
> literally meaning "one who enters (Äpadyate) the stream (sotas)," with
> the stream being the Noble Eightfold Path regarded as the highest
> Dharma. The stream-enterer is also said to have "opened the eye of the
> Dharma" (dhammacakkhu, Sanskrit: dharmacaká¹£us).
>
> A stream-enterer is guaranteed enlightenment after no more than seven
> successive rebirths, and possibly in fewer. The stream-enterer can
> also be sure that he or she will not be reborn in any of the unhappy
> states or rebirths (that is, as an animal, a preta, or a being in
> hell). He can only be reborn as a human being, or in a heaven.
>
> The stream-enterer has attained an intuitive grasp of Buddhist
> doctrine (samyagdṛṣá¹i or sammÄdiá¹á¹hi, "right view"), has complete
> confidence or Saddha in the Three Jewels of Buddha, Dhamma, and
> Sangha, and has good moral behaviour (Sila).
>
> The second stage is that of the SakadÄgÄmÄ« (Sanskrit: Saká¹›dÄgÄmin),
> literally meaning "one who once (saká¹›t) comes (Ägacchati)". The once-
> returner will only be born one more time in the human world, where he
> will attain enlightenment as an Arahant.
>
> The third stage is that of the AnÄgÄmÄ« (Sanskrit: AnÄgÄmin), literally
> meaning "one who does not (an-) come (Ägacchati)". The non-returner
> does not come back into human existence, or any lower world, after
> death. Instead, he is reborn in one of the worlds of the RÅ«padhÄtu
> called the ÅšuddhÄvÄsa worlds, or "Pure Abodes", where he will attain
> NirvÄṇa; some of them are reborn a second time in a higher world of
> the Pure Abodes, but in no case are born into a lower state.
>
> An AnÄgÄmÄ« has abandoned the five lower fetters that bind the mind to
> the cycle of rebirth. An AnÄgÄmÄ« is thus partially enlightened, and on
> the way to perfect and complete Enlightenment.
>
> The fourth stage is that of Arahant, a fully enlightened human being
> who has abandoned all fetters, and who upon decease (Sanskrit:
> ParinirvÄṇa, PÄli: ParinibbÄna) will not be reborn in any world,
> having wholly abandoned saṃsÄra.
>
> So does a fully enlightened Arahant continue to exist or cease to
> exist after bodily death? The Buddha instructed not to ask such
> silly, speculative, non-verifiable metaphysical questions or else one
> would probably go mad. Which may just explain why their are so many
> nutters in these groups, eh?
I don't know where to get those cool name tag stickers with anime
characters on them for my markers at work so I put the wrong color
caps on them and the wrong color of ink inside. That's how I know
they're mine. I've come to recognize which ones are which color so I
don't have any trouble writing out something in whatever color I
choose. I've even created cool looking spiderman markers that write in
red and blue simultaneously which really is very cool. It is also very
amusing to the young children sometimes and can even be used as a
teaching aid at times, especially when we're learning words like
"guess", "choose", "pick", etc.
In much the same way, I don't really follow Theravada. I have a
distinct feeling what you said was explained to me before, but perhaps
at the time I forgot to ask an important question.. At any rate it was
very interesting and I am sure I got something out of it. One thought
that was especially interesting to me is that no matter what level I
supposed I might be (stream-enterer seemed to be the safest choice) I
thought of reasons why I would be at least one level lower. I'm still
pretty sure I'm a fully enlightened being, just not on near the top of
that scale you posted. I'm just saying, don't get the wrong idea when
I say I am a fully enlightened being. I'm not trying to say I am (for
example) an arhat, no returner, etc.
Yours in full enlightenment,
fully enlightened being.
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