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Addressing Francophobia         


Author: Ilya the Bat
Date: May 5, 2008 19:59

In many parts of America, there is a very strong anti-French sentiment
that is for the most part based on error and misconception. This essay
seeks to correct those mistakes.

The French thought formed the basis of American democracy. American
Revolution and its founding principles was the expression of French
18th century thought known as “French Enlightenment,” and the French
saw America as the embodiment of their ideals, whereas the English saw
America as a province of ungrateful traitors. The French provided
crucial assistance to American Revolution, and without their help -
both informing the Independence and assisting the Revolution - America
would not have existed as what it is and likely would not have existed
at all. So before Americans speak about “saving French’s ass,” it
behoves them to look back to what, and who, made it possible for
America to exist as a country - and what, and who, sustained America
through its darkest times.

There are many who call the French cowards and sneer at their supposed
military weakness. Lest we forget, France had Napoleon over a century
before Germany had Hitler, and Napoleon conquered a comparable...
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: Immortalist
Date: May 5, 2008 22:45

On May 5, 7:59 pm, Ilya the Bat hotmail.com> wrote:
> In many parts of America, there is a very strong anti-French sentiment
> that is for the most part based on error and misconception. This essay
> seeks to correct those mistakes.
>
> The French thought formed the basis of American democracy. American
> Revolution and its founding principles was the expression of French
> 18th century thought known as “French Enlightenment,” and the French
> saw America as the embodiment of their ideals, whereas the English saw
> America as a province of ungrateful traitors. The French provided
> crucial assistance to American Revolution, and without their help -
> both informing the Independence and assisting the Revolution - America
> would not have existed as what it is and likely would...
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Date: May 5, 2008 23:17

Who's afraid of Generalissimo Francisco Franco? He's dead, you know.

rone
--
"If any man is not free, then I, too, am a small pie made of chicken."
-- Bouffant, /Thoughts/ (Terry Pratchett)
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: chazwin
Date: May 6, 2008 00:14

On May 6, 3:59 am, Ilya the Bat hotmail.com> wrote:
> In many parts of America, there is a very strong anti-French sentiment
> that is for the most part based on error and misconception. This essay
> seeks to correct those mistakes.
>
> The French thought formed the basis of American democracy. American
> Revolution and its founding principles was the expression of French
> 18th century thought known as “French Enlightenment,” and the French
> saw America as the embodiment of their ideals, whereas the English saw
> America as a province of ungrateful traitors.

You forget that Britain was the "pearl of freethought", provinding
David Hume and Thomas Paine and other great thinkers that laid the
foundation for Liberty in Europe such as Boswell and Burke. England...
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: Mark Edwards
Date: May 6, 2008 03:13

No cluons were harmed when rone wrote:
>Who's afraid of Generalissimo Francisco Franco? He's dead, you know.

Still? You'd think by now...

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: May 6, 2008 04:31

On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:59:03 -0700, Ilya the Bat wrote:
> Napoleon conquered a comparable section of Europe as did Hitler without
> committing anywhere close to Hitler’s level of crimes against mankind.

It is time.

Hitler is no longer the benchmark for destruction nor for crimes against
humankind nor is Napoleon the superlative for power gone mad.
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: Mark Edwards
Date: May 6, 2008 06:34

No cluons were harmed when ZerkonX wrote:
>Hitler is no longer the benchmark for destruction nor for crimes against
>humankind nor is Napoleon the superlative for power gone mad.

Dammit, you promised not to out me until NEXT year. The Mad Scientists
Guild will be receiving my formal complaint.

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request
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Re: Addressing Francophobia         


Author: BretCahill
Date: May 6, 2008 21:23

> The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and Europe
> adopted America’s best traits, while America adopted many of Europe’s
> ugliest ones.

Europeans stole _our_ freedom!

Bret Cahill
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Re: Addressing Francophobianz         


Date: May 6, 2008 23:04

peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:47cbcbbe-a4b1-401a-8517-0076fb339921@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and Europe
> adopted America’s best traits, while America adopted many of Europe’s
> ugliest ones.
>Europeans stole _our_ freedom!

freedom begins between the ears.
if it leaks out it deserves to be stolen
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Re: Addressing Francophobianz         


Author: norbu.tragri
Date: May 7, 2008 03:42

On May 6, 11:04 pm, "^@%%>---*=#" hotmail.com> wrote:
> peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>
> news:47cbcbbe-a4b1-401a-8517-0076fb339921@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The ideals behind American Revolution went back to Europe; and Europe
>> adopted America’s best traits, while America adopted many of Europe’s
>> ugliest ones.
>>Europeans stole _our_ freedom!
>
> freedom begins between the ears.
> if it leaks out it deserves to be stolen

Nice point `@%%> ....except the idea of "deserves"....seems a bit
vindictive...
for what? Being indoctrinated as a child?

Anyhoo, the "American Revolution", good idea or not was only supported
by a third
of the *colonial* populace, another third remained loyal to the crown,
and a third were undecided.
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