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Author: buddhapestbuddhapest
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:25
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:24
Robert Epstein wrote:
> stumper wrote:
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>> Tang Huyen wrote:
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>>>
>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
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>>>> Tang, no one knows who they are or what they do. Thoughts come and
>>>> thoughts
>>>> go. When they arise they pass into awareness. If you have a
>>>> thought that
>>>> feels right or correct. That feeling of rightness or correctness is
>>>> also
>>>> caused. The causes leading to rightness and correctness are
>>>> conditioned.
>>>>
>>>> All thoughts, delusive or not are caused by conditions that do not
>>>> themselves pass into awareness. Knowing is a skhanda. Knowing is
>>>> empty. ...
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:16
Lee Dillion wrote:
> On Feb 28, 9:53 am, Robert Epstein yahoo.com> wrote:>> Hollywood Lee wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Hollywood Lee wrote:
>>>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>>>> Tang, no one knows who they are or what they do.
>>>>> I just gotta know. How is it you know that "no one knows who they
>>>>> are or what they do"?
>>>>> Perhaps you were just being dramatic and meant to say "in my
>>>>> experience, it seems that I and those I have met do not know who they
>>>>> are and what they do, but that I could be wrong."?
>>>> It's a lot worse than that.
>>>> He might be saying that
>>>> it's theoretically impossible
>>>> for anyone to know who they are
>>>> or what they do.
>>>> If you ask
>>>> how it is theoretically impossible,
>>>> he might say that ...
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:12
Lee Dillion wrote:
> On Feb 28, 9:51 am, Robert Epstein yahoo.com> wrote:>> Hollywood Lee wrote:
>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>> Tang, no one knows who they are or what they do.
>>> I just gotta know. How is it you know that "no one knows who they are
>>> or what they do"?
>>> Perhaps you were just being dramatic and meant to say "in my experience,
>>> it seems that I and those I have met do not know who they are and what
>>> they do, but that I could be wrong."?
>> I guess it's possible to say something on principle and then if you
>> disagree you can give your own experience as an example. Surely certain
>> kinds of generalizations are worth entertaining as possibilities, such
>> as "there is no one to know." If you were to explore what that means
>> rather than deflecting it, I'm sure it would lead to an interesting
>> exchange.
>>
>> So, in your experience is there a "Lee" to know? Do you know him, and
>> what would you say he consists of?
>> ...
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:07
buddhapest wrote:
> "stumper" newvessel.com> wrote in message
> news:n5OdnVJ3xJifKnjYnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@ptd.net...>> buddhapest wrote:
>>> "stumper" newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MKudnf-4SIl0DHnYnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@ptd.net...>>>> buddhapest wrote:
>>>>> "stumper" newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i_adnbaxvefGF3nYnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@ptd.net...>>>>>> buddhapest wrote:
>>>>>>> "stumper" newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4bGdnQo01KK45nnYnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@ptd.net...>>>>>>>> buddhapest wrote:
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Author:
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:01
Lee Rudolph wrote:
>> Why would you want to measure his, when you
>> have a chance to measure your own?
>
> "And the worst thing is, the signature is in My Self's
> handwriting!"
Life is packed with that. Suffering and happiness
come with signature in My Self's handwriting!
Though, metaphysically, it can be spelled My
Self, my self, the absence-of-a-self that doens't
belong to anybody. The less there is anybody
there to claim responsibility, the more happiness
there is, and the most happiness accrues to
nobody. Conversely the more suffering there is,
the more there is a self there to suffer it!
Whoever is there to take the suffering deserves
it!
Poetic justice, eh?
Tang Huyen
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Author: sincerequestionersincerequestioner
Date: Feb 28, 2007 09:50
On Feb 24, 9:55 pm, "Pastor Ward Winkle" myself.com> wrote:> As an apostlic, I am ashamed of some of the Oneness brethren out
> here.
>
> Now I will admit this is a jungle, but we should be showing more love
> out here. I hope my fellow Oneness brethren will take my advice.
>
> In Jesus Name,
> Pastor Ward Winkle
yes, pastor, it is bad how some people act. as is taught in buddhism,
however, treating people shabbily only results in bad karma.
the noble eightfold path is:
CORRECT
ethics: action, speech, livelihood
concentration: mindfulness, concentration, effort
wisdom: view, thought
CORRECT thought breakdown: Is MY thought correct? Is what I am
thinking contributing to my continued success, or do I know my thought
is incorrect - which I KNOW will result in bad karma?
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 09:48
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> stumper wrote:
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>> Good to see you make friends.
>> It is surprising how little
>> it takes to be friendly here.
>>
>> If nobody here knows
>> what it is that awakens,
>> does anyone here know
>> what it is that is suffering in delusion?
>
> The thought that one suffers in delusion is what it is
> that is suffering in delusion. The witness to suffering
> is the one who creates suffering, to himself, in closed
> circle. When one calms down and quiesces thought,
> gently and not forcibly, there is no suffering, and
> there is nobody who notices that fact either. The
> circle is broken, merely by not building it. ...
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 09:45
Hollywood Lee wrote:
> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tang, no one knows who they are or what they do.
>>> I just gotta know. How is it you know that "no one knows who they
>>> are or what they do"?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you were just being dramatic and meant to say "in my
>>> experience, it seems that I and those I have met do not know who they
>>> are and what they do, but that I could be wrong."?
>>
>> No drama. The statement was meant literally. Being certain is no
>> proof of correctness. Mental hospitals are full of people sure they
>> know one thing or another. Their delusions are caused by one thing or
>> another. Their correct thoughts are also caused by one thing or
>> another. As the one thinking, how do you differentiate between them?
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Author: stumperstumper
Date: Feb 28, 2007 09:43
Noel Friesen wrote:
> "stumper" newvessel.com> wrote in message
> news:b9ydnQzhyrOpeXnYnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@ptd.net...>> Tang Huyen wrote:
>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tang, no one knows who they are or what they do. Thoughts come and
>>>> thoughts
>>>> go. When they arise they pass into awareness. If you have a thought
>>>> that
>>>> feels right or correct. That feeling of rightness or correctness is also
>>>> caused. The causes leading to rightness and correctness are
>>>> conditioned.
>>>>
>>>> All thoughts, delusive or not are caused by conditions that do not
>>>> themselves pass into awareness. Knowing is a skhanda. Knowing is
>>>> empty.
>>>> There is nothing to know and no one to know it.
>>>>
>>>> In a sense a buddha is just as ignorant as the most unenlightened. The ...
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