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Author: KeynesKeynes
Date: Jun 24, 2007 23:28
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:29:04 +0100, brian mitchell fishing.net>
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>Lee Rudolph wrote:
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>> Okay. I write, and have little or no information about the relationships
>> my reader (say, you) has to any particular word or phrase I write (except
>> now I know a bit more than nothing about you and "shit"). You read what
>> I write, and have little or no information about the relationships I have
>> to my words. I see little or no possibility of my being able, with any
>> confidence, to "transfer" anything from me to you that depends on our two
>> stores of private relationships. Your reactions are yours.
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>I wonder how you manage with so little confidence in readerships.
>Messages in bottles...
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Words have denotations (which appear in dictionaries),
and emotional connotations (built by personal experience).
To say "the Bears won the superbowl" may be a fact,
yet the effects of the statement on listeners will vary.
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Author: Bruce PoleBruce Pole
Date: Jun 24, 2007 22:55
Robert Epstein:
> What you are talking about is even more obvious in art. Most audiences
> will be left unmoved by a perfectly executed Sonata that has no nuances,
> feelings, or "active aesthetic creation" at play in the performance. I
> have heard this kind of piano playing and no matter how facile the
> pianist is, it leaves one restless, bored and unsatisfied.
Some spiders simply weave webs that are perfectly executed no doubt, but
without nuances, feelings, or "active aesthetic creation" at play in the
performance. Their weaving leaves one restless, bored and unsatisfied.
"Restless, bored and unsatisfied". Have you tried practising Buddhism?
Bruce
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein
Date: Jun 24, 2007 21:25
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>>What you are talking about is even more obvious in art. Most audiences
>>will be left unmoved by a perfectly executed Sonata that has no nuances,
>>feelings, or "active aesthetic creation" at play in the performance. I
>>have heard this kind of piano playing and no matter how facile the
>>pianist is, it leaves one restless, bored and unsatisfied.
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> It is called a polished, accomplished runthrough/walkthrough,
> lacking expression. Solti's Beethoven with CSO sounds like
> that. A glorified Paris Hilton rendition.
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> Tang Huyen
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Author: possumpossum
Date: Jun 24, 2007 19:33
"Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>> What you are talking about is even more obvious in art. Most audiences
>> will be left unmoved by a perfectly executed Sonata that has no
>> nuances,
>> feelings, or "active aesthetic creation" at play in the performance. I
>> have heard this kind of piano playing and no matter how facile the
>> pianist is, it leaves one restless, bored and unsatisfied.
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> It is called a polished, accomplished runthrough/walkthrough,
> lacking expression. Solti's Beethoven with CSO sounds like
> that. A glorified Paris Hilton rendition.
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Author:
Date: Jun 24, 2007 19:03
Robert Epstein wrote:
> What you are talking about is even more obvious in art. Most audiences
> will be left unmoved by a perfectly executed Sonata that has no nuances,
> feelings, or "active aesthetic creation" at play in the performance. I
> have heard this kind of piano playing and no matter how facile the
> pianist is, it leaves one restless, bored and unsatisfied.
It is called a polished, accomplished runthrough/walkthrough,
lacking expression. Solti's Beethoven with CSO sounds like
that. A glorified Paris Hilton rendition.
Tang Huyen
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein
Date: Jun 24, 2007 18:53
Lee Rudolph wrote:
> Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]> writes:
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>>Robert Epstein wrote:
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>>>To what extent do you believe from your travels that "living teachers"
>>>are still around who can...
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein
Date: Jun 24, 2007 18:51
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> Robert Epstein wrote:
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>>Tang Huyen:
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>>>Hehe. However it is tragic for people to go coo-coo,
>>>even after (especially after) so many years and
>>>decades devoted to mental culture. These...
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Date: Jun 24, 2007 18:46
brian mitchell wrote:
> Lee Rudolph:
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>> Okay. I write, and have little or no information about the relationships
>> my reader (say, you) has to any particular word or phrase I write (except
>> now I know a bit more than...
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein
Date: Jun 24, 2007 18:45
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> Lee Rudolph wrote:
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>>Except in a fairly ideal sense, the words a writer writes are not
>>the same words that the reader (thereafter) reads. So it *is* (or
>>should be) surprising that A's words...
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