Hi,

Again, for the third time:

AB, again, when is avijja empirica, and when is it ontological?

So?

Desert is the condition resulting from lack of water. That does not
mean water does not exist. So?

Water exist, in desert, it merely lacks water. It doesn't mean it
doesn't exist. Hey, have you heard of the word, "cactus"?

Regards,
Rahula

Hi,

Again, for the second time:

AN 5.113:

"Bhikkhus, a beginning to ignorance cannot be pointed out, `Before
this there was no ignorance, it occured afterwards. Bhikkhus, it is
pointed out: On account of this, there is ignorance.

Bhikkhus, I say, ignorance too has a supportive condition"

Regards,
Rahula

On Dec 14, 2:52 pm, ancientbuddh...@earthlink.net wrote:

Joyous Life Release this morning was slightly warm but the attitude of
all who joined the ceremony of life release was with clear mind and
heart filled with joy.We went to the Pusatan Makanan market and first
purchased the fish from the butcher to save the life ,more than twenty
large fish lives were saved and then we moved onto one cute baby
turtle ,and some twenty five birds ,many numerous crickets,and some
small fish also some twenty five frogs hopped and swam into freedom
into the water of the park lake.The animal shared the joy and
happiness with us and the birds sang as the flew to freedom,the frogs
and some fish sat on the surface of the water to hear the Namgyalma
mantra OM DHRUM SOHA OM AMRITA AYUR DADE SOHA which can purify their
karma and save them from lower rebirth .We performed a small Namgyalma
fire puja for those three sangha members who had passed away .We in
the next fish release will print and laminate some Namgyalma mantra
OM DHRUM SOHA OM AMRITA AYUR DADE SOHA for placing in the water and I
recommend everyone who is connected with Buddhism to do this in oceans
and rivers and lakes .first you print the mantra and then laminate it
then gently place into the water and all the beings karma in that
water is liberated.
Om mani padme hung ...

Hi,

AB wrote:

Correct reference is Nidd I 325:
He sees name and form 'as permanent, as bliss, as self'

You said "Eternal bliss is the soul".
When pointed out the context, "He sees name and form 'as permanent, as
bliss, as self", you said you don't care how I translate atta.

Before you can move on, you have to admit that either (1) you lied,
(2) you don't know Pali or (3) you are refuted).

If you do not admit, then you admit that name and form (nama- rupa) is
permanent (eternal), is bliss, is soul. LOL!

Pick one, AB.

Regards,
Rahula

Hi,

AB refuted once and for all. Read below and make your own conclusion.
The below is written by a Buddhist scholar and Pali expert.

Correct reference is Nidd I 325:
He sees name and form 'as permanent, as bliss, as self'

then below:
after seeing, he will know that 'as permanent, as bliss, as self'

in each case explained as he does not see/know rise and fall, etc. of
those dhammas.

This refers to the two distortions which see 'something permanent as
regards what is impermanent and something which is a self as regards
what is without a self'

eternal"

Hi,

I did not even sign that post! LOL
Go have a check-up.

Regards,
Rahula

Hi,

Are you sure. Go check the post which I wrote on Dec 23, 8.18am, in
the thread, "Tang Huyen shoots himself in the foot. Admits he doesnt
know pali/sanskrit ,yet is sure "who is right"

Let me quote the post I wrote again here:

[quote]

A friend of mine wrote this many, many years ago:

The "non-born," etc is a favorite passage of those who try to find
a....[unquote]

If you still do not want to admit your mistake (you always do not), my
conclusion is that you are suffering from psychosis. Go see a
psychiatrist or a psychologist.

Regards,
Rahula

=(1)= *And our Lord, raise among them a Messenger from among
themselves, who may recite to them Thy Signs and teach them the Book
and Wisdom and may purify them; surely, Thou art the Mighty, the
Wise.* (2:130)

*****

=(2)=This verse was also touched in current Eid-Sermon/Khutba www.mta.tv
in terms of the high standards of sacrifice as set by holy Hadhrat
Ibrahim (on whom be peace) who had made this prayer to Allah
supplicating for a great prophet to be born among his people.

*****
=(3)= Hadrat Ibrahim (on whom be peace) had prayed for a prophet to
come to set high standards in four aspects in his supplication,
standards that did not have a precedent and which were not to be...

If you refuse to continue the discussion offlist, then I will have to
move on. I do not wish to spent so much time battling with you. Life
is short, my battle has not been won (nirvana).
For my own spiritual practise, I have contemplated for a long time
regarding the issue you brought up. And I have come to my own
conclusion.
If you wish to remember that I lost, and you won, so be it.
"Victory breeds hatred. The defeated live in pain.
Happily the peaceful live, giving up victory and defeat."
Regards,
Rahula

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Translation "i conceed"

Its good that you contemplate same, however your "own conclusions" are
just that, yours, not buddhisms.

you are not a truth-seeker, you only attempt to promulgate your own
BS.

a Truth seeker is happy to A: be proven wrong.........and B: be proven
right.