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Date: Dec 8, 2006 17:46
Dave K wrote:
> The biggest flaw in Tangs conception of "testing" is that it's just
> plain pointless. There is enough suffering already. They don't need
> testing here. Let life test them. My life is plenty miserable enough
> without having these guys shovel more dukkha onto the pile. There is no
> justification for it. (But perhaps the occasional inevitable flare-ups
> - mine are well documented). Otherwise it's just stupid and pointless
> and childish.
Krishnamurti keeps laughing about people who go
to church on Sunday, talk love on Sunday, and
blast away at everybody on other days of the week.
Buddhist cultivation is not to be carried out only
whilst sitting in the lotus position on a cushion but
everywhere and all the time, including when one
reads and writes to these boards.
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Date: Dec 8, 2006 17:41
Hollywood Lee wrote:
> Deny the truth of the what to forward the truth of the how, eh?
>
> I have come to believe in the value of this approach, but it still
> remains an approach - one that may need to be held lightly, as if a mere
> feather to tickle the fancy, and not tightly as a hammer to pound home
> the truth.
>
> Course, from outside the inner sanctum of fluff, who can tell the
> feather from the hammer? Not I.
Buddhism is more about the how (the manner)
than the what (the matter). How to spare suffering
to oneself and increase happiness to oneself
(without causing more suffering as a result, of
course). Other than that, there is little belief in any
content.
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Date: Dec 8, 2006 17:39
Robert Epstein wrote:
> Hey Dave.
> I agree with everything you said above; but even despite this I find
> myself in the odd position of being poised to partially defend Tang.
> Well, half-defend him, and half-critique him...
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Author: now & zennow & zen
Date: Dec 8, 2006 08:52
"Hollywood Lee" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:elc53k$cp4$1@news.datemas.de...> now & zen wrote:
>> "Hollywood Lee" gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:elc4hg$9f8$2@news.datemas.de...>>> now & zen wrote:
>>>> "Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
>>>> news:12ninbj74o1fv15@news.supernews.com...>>>>> now & zen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tang Huyen"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. The practice has to be whole and complete, and
>>>>>>> has to wade through the "swamp stuff" before it can reach
>>>>>>> clarity, otherwise any clarity gained will be short-lived.
>>>>>>> There is no magic. In psychotherapy there is the axiom
>>>>>>> that if you have taken twenty or thirty years to build up
>>>>>>> the mess that you are in, you'll take twenty or thirty years
>>>>>>> to clear it out, if ever.
>>>>>>> ...
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Author: now & zennow & zen
Date: Dec 8, 2006 08:47
"Hollywood Lee" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:elc4hg$9f8$2@news.datemas.de...> now & zen wrote:
>> "Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
>> news:12ninbj74o1fv15@news.supernews.com...>>>
>>> now & zen wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tang Huyen"
>>>>
>>>>> I agree. The practice has to be whole and complete, and
>>>>> has to wade through the "swamp stuff" before it can reach
>>>>> clarity, otherwise any clarity gained will be short-lived.
>>>>> There is no magic. In psychotherapy there is the axiom
>>>>> that if you have taken twenty or thirty years to build up
>>>>> the mess that you are in, you'll take twenty or thirty years
>>>>> to clear it out, if ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet when it is cleared out, there is nothing to it. As the
>>>>> real DharmaTroll said, it is only self-stuff invested by us, ...
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Author: now & zennow & zen
Date: Dec 8, 2006 08:41
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> now & zen wrote:
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>> "Tang Huyen"
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>>> now & zen:
>>
>>>> for being full of fluff you certainly
>>>> command a great deal of stir
>>>> around here.
>>
>>> Are you envious, Jen mon amour? It is of the essence of
>>> fluff to stir up things. Buddhism amounts to dealing with
>>> fluff and nothing more. That's the trick, dear.
>>
>> you wish me to be envious of trickery?
>> do you feel that i could negotiate my ...
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Author: Evelyn RuutEvelyn Ruut
Date: Dec 8, 2006 08:37
>> There is something a bit contrived about the 'fluff' concept we hear of
>> around here. It seems like wrapping oneself in a down blanket, as a
>> sort
>> of an armor of protection, a denial..... "you can't hurt me" sort of a
>> thing.
>>
>> Of those I have had the incredible good fortune to be exposed to who had
>> some genuine realization, none of them ever took this view. They always
>> seemed to be crystal clear in their awareness of everything. The one
> thing
>> that did stand out was a kind of fearlessness, an openness, nearly child
>> like in some way, but with cutting edge wisdom. They never trivialized
>> human sufferings or emotions as "fluff"
>>
>> Been playing around with the concept a bit, and it strikes me as denial, ...
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