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Author: Baha'i Censorship - See WebsiteBaha'i Censorship - See Website Date: Jan 3, 2008 03:55
Unity by Court Order?
It's important that Bahais from different denominations
respect and learn from one another, calling to mind, if necessary,
Abdu'l-Baha's wide embrace. Jeffrey Goldberg's experience
reveals things that I would hope all followers of Baha'u'llah might
reflect on. http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm
Far from the shunning mentality, Abdu'l-Baha's teaching
ought to be called to mind much more often:
"These are effectual and sufficient proofs that the conscience
of man is sacred and to be respected."
The issue before the District Court of Illinois is one of religious
liberty and freedom of conscience, despite the desperate
misrepresentation of the Haifan nsa:
"No question of religious liberty is involved" (page 4).
Memorandum in Support of Motion
http://www.truebahai.com/court/nsa-memo.pdf
http://www.truebahai.com/court/
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Author: Hasley9Hasley9 Date: Jan 5, 2008 16:13
>> I sure hope so. I wonder what it would have been like if we had lawyers in
> the time martin luther broke the Catholic Churches strangle hold.
LOL. You think they didn't? Luther's father wanted Martin to become a
lawyer. In any case, I don't know why you are making a big deal about
the NSA trying to enforce a court decision made as a result of the
Remeyite's own lawsuit.
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Author: Seon FergusonSeon Ferguson Date: Jan 5, 2008 19:13
>>> I sure hope so. I wonder what it would have been like if we had lawyers
>>> in
>> the time martin luther broke the Catholic Churches strangle hold.
>
> LOL. You think they didn't? Luther's father wanted Martin to become a
> lawyer. In any case, I don't know why you are making a big deal about
> the NSA trying to enforce a court decision made as a result of the
> Remeyite's own lawsuit.
I dont know which would have been worse, a lawyer or a Jew hating religious
founder. Oh well whats the big deal is no religious organisation should have
the right to decided what people can and cant call themselves, that right
should be up to God.
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Author: ShahriarShahriar Date: Jan 7, 2008 05:13
>> LOL. You think they didn't? Luther's father wanted Martin to become a
>> lawyer. In any case, I don't know why you are making a big deal about
>> the NSA trying to enforce a court decision made as a result of the
>> Remeyite's own lawsuit.
> founder. Oh well whats the big deal is no religious organisation should
> have the right to decided what people can and cant call themselves, that
> right should be up to God.
Seon- No religious organization does enforce what people should or shouldn't
call themselves. that's why they get unenroled to not belong to any
organization that they don't wish to. but lets say you...
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Author: Hasley9Hasley9 Date: Jan 8, 2008 14:38
> It took me a while but I remembered. I guess I don't see faith that way. I
> think it should be personal and up to the individual to decide what he or
> she is or how he or she views the creator. not some court.
The court decision (which is due today) will not tell anyone how to
view the Creator. It will simply determine whether the Remeyites can
continue to defy an existing court order against them using our
trademarks. Whatever decision the court makes will have no impact
whatsoever on any individual's relationship with God.
> Where is the evidence the Orthodox Bahais want to destroy the Hafain's?-
Perhaps you missed Joel M.'s predictions about our World Centre being
struck by missle? Sounds like a desire to destroy the House of Justice
to me. Then there is this statement made by one of the Orthodox
Baha'is:
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Author: ShahriarShahriar Date: Jan 8, 2008 14:27
>I am saying I want to annihilate Bahaism off the face of contingency;
> bulldoze your shrine complex in Haifa into powder; pubically lynch
> members of the ao, ad nauseum. Why aren't you suing me, cultists??
>
> G'head, sue me, already!
>
> W
Nima- as much as you're dreaming about being sued, we wont do it for two
reasons. First, you got nothing to sue you for, spirituality, integrity,
honesty, courage, real state, 401K, driving license ... etc. and we're too
faint hearted to take your food stamp away, you are totally broke chapter
13, 11 and 7th plus some additional chapters that exist on papers. Secondly,
you are not responsible for your action and behavior. However, gladly, I'll
assist your family to institutionalize you in a good cheap psychiatric
establishment.
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Author: ShahriarShahriar Date: Jan 8, 2008 14:45
> "Religions are the first business
> establishments in the world of humanity. they are for profit, they
> fire and
> hire, they have PR, they buy sell and manage to doge taxation, they
> own
> property and engaged in very intense advertising."
>
> So you admit it. This is what your "religion" is all about?
>
> W
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Author: ShahriarShahriar Date: Jan 8, 2008 15:02
>>>
>>> "Shahriar" hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:flt8n8$euc$1@aioe.org...> Where is the evidence the Orthodox Bahais want to destroy the Hafain's?
>
Oh Seon oh Seon, you are from Venus we from Mares!
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Author: Seon FergusonSeon Ferguson Date: Jan 8, 2008 15:29
"Shahriar" hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fm103c$988$3@aioe.org...>
>>>>
>>>> "Shahriar" hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:flt8n8$euc$1@aioe.org...>
>> Where is the evidence the Orthodox Bahais want to destroy the Hafain's?
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> Oh Seon oh Seon, you are from Venus we from Mares!
Your thinking of men and women.
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Author: Seon FergusonSeon Ferguson Date: Jan 8, 2008 15:33
>> It took me a while but I remembered. I guess I don't see faith that way.
>> I
>> think it should be personal and up to the individual to decide what he or
>> she is or how he or she views the creator. not some court.
>
> The court decision (which is due today) will not tell anyone how to
> view the Creator. It will simply determine whether the Remeyites can
> continue to defy an existing court order against them using our
> trademarks. Whatever decision the court makes will have no impact
> whatsoever on any individual's relationship with God.
>
The way people like W have been acting the Bahai's are out to sue anyone who
decides to take the name Bahai. If the court rulling is just...
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