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  What 'Abdu'l-Baha REALLY thought of Black Africans......         


Author: Darrick
Date: Oct 31, 2007 15:35

He wrote:

"As ignorance is the cause of crimes, the more knowledge and science
increases, the more crimes will diminish. Consider how often murder
occurs among the barbarians of Africa; they even kill one another to
eat each other's flesh and blood!" (Some Answered Questions 77:13)

Baha'i responses:

1) I am lying...He never wrote this (yes...He did)

2) I'm taking it totally out of context (no...I'm not)

3) He said the same thing about Arabs and some Europeans (so...that
justifies it?)
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  10-31-07 - Reflections on the Fraudulent will & testament of Abdu'l-Baha         


Author: Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Date: Oct 31, 2007 03:57

Reflections on the Fraudulent will & testament of Abdu'l-Baha

The will and testament is a fraudulent document perpetrated by a
family seeking to seize and control a formative religion for its own
benefit. Largely, they succeeded, though they initially lost approximately
thousands of early Bahais over the coming decades, while a few insightful
and valient Bahais, such as Ruth White, Julie Chanler, and Mirza Ahmad
Sohrab protested and explained their concerns and objections in a
number of books, all the more worth reading in the light of subsequent
decades of slander, deceit, lies, and shunning of independently minded
scholars, writers, and people of every background:

"Abdul Baha had never in speech or writing given the slightest indication
that there would be a successor to himself. On the contrary, a number of
addresses delivered by him on various occastions had made the
opposite impression" (61). "There is apparent contradiction between this
section of the Will and his lifelong teachings..." (61). --Mirza Ahmad Sohrab,
The Will and Testament of Abdul Baha, An Analysis. New York: Universal
Publishing, 1944. Mirza Ahmad Sohrab's Broken Silence: The Story of
Today's Struggle for Religious Freedom. New York: Universal Publishing, 1942.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/SohrabEx.htm
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  10-31-07 - Dr. C. (Charles) Ainsworth Mitchell - Certified Copy from the Library of Congress         


Author: Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Date: Oct 31, 2007 03:53

Dr. C. (Charles) Ainsworth Mitchell - Certified Copy from the Library of Congress
Report on the Writing Shown on the Photographs of the Alleged Will of Abdu'l-Baha. 1930.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/CAMitchell_Report.htm

"That is to say, the writing does not agree with the hypothesis that it was all written by one
person."

"A minute comparison of the authenticated writing with the writing on every page of the
alleged will . . . has failed to detect in any part of the will the characteristics of the writing
of Abdu'l-Baha, as shown in the authenticated specimens." -Dr. C. Ainsworth Mitchell

Download All Documents Deposited by Ruth White at the Library of Congress PDF:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/WhiteLCDocs.pdf

Ruth White, Excerpts, Bibliography
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Ruth%%20White.htm

Ruth White Collection, Library of Congress, 1930
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/RWhiteLibC.htm

The attempts to discredit Dr. Mitchell and Ruth White have relied on, for over 75 years, slander and
ad hominem and are no more convincing now than they have ever been. Note the attempt to shift from
his conclusion and call for an examination of the original to the man himself.

I ask the reader to reflect on the fact that Dr. Mitchell remains one of the most respected forensic
researchers of the 20th century and is still quoted and cited by academics and legal experts. His
professional...
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  10-31-07 - White, Ruth. Bahai Leads Out of the Labyrinth.         


Author: Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Date: Oct 31, 2007 03:53

White, Ruth. Bahai Leads Out of the Labyrinth.
New York: Universal Publishing Co., 1944. (pages 257, 258, 259 restored)
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/White,%%BLOL.pdf

205-206 BAHAI LEADS OUT OF THE LABYRINTH

The one hundredth anniversary of the foundation of the Bahai Religion will take place on May 23rd,
1944. Yet here also the Power within it has been more or less entombed due to the fact that since
the passing of Abdul Baha from this world the organized group of Bahais (The National Spiritual
Assembly of Bahais) under the dictatorship of Shoghi Effendi, have brought Fascism or
totalitarianism into it.

Unbelievable as it may seem, they tried to copy-right the Bahai Religion, and they instituted two
law suits during 1941* against Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, and Mrs. Lewis Stuyvesant Chanler, to prohibit.
them, or anyone else, from calling themselves "Bahais", or from spreading the religion unless they
did so through their organization. and according to their dictates.

Naturally the National Spiritual Assembly of Bahais lost both suits, and they were severely
reprimanded by the judge. He made it clear to them that in this day of religious freedom, no one can
copyright a religion or claim the exclusive rights to it.
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  10-31-07 - Ruth White Collection, Library of Congress, 1930         


Author: Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Date: Oct 31, 2007 03:51

Ruth White Collection, Library of Congress, 1930
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/RWhiteLibC.htm

A sincere man in Shoghi's position should gladly have accepted my challenge for an investigation.
Any man confident of the justice of his case would, in fact, have courted and insisted upon an
impartial and judicial examination of the alleged will and of all the facts bearing on his claim to
Guardianship. Shoghi Effendi however, it can be seen, was congratulating himself that there was no
likelihood of the Palestine authorities considering the question. He shunned a test of the alleged
will and of his claims. And I have every reason to believe that his advice to his followers not to
hurt my feelings at that time was with a view to prevent me from pursuing the matter further (1).

EXCERPTS - Ruth White. Abdul Baha's Questioned Will and Testament.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/WhiteABQWT.pdf

Download All Documents Deposited by Ruth White at the Library of Congress PDF:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/WhiteLCDocs.pdf

To His Excellency
The High Commissioner of Palestine
Jerusalem, Palestine.
October 7, 1930

Your Excellency:
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  10-31-07 - EXCERPTS - Ruth White. Abdul Baha's Questioned Will and Testament.         


Author: Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Date: Oct 31, 2007 03:45

EXCERPTS - Ruth White. Abdul Baha's Questioned Will and Testament.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/WhiteABQWT.pdf

Download All Documents Deposited by Ruth White at the Library of Congress PDF:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/WhiteLCDocs.pdf

White, Ruth. Abdul Baha's Questioned Will and Testament. Beverly Hills: White, 1946:

"The scientific indications are that the will of Abdu'l-Baha is not genuine. Also, from the
spiritual viewpoint, there are overwhelming indications that it is not genuine, as it contradicts
the teachings of both Baha'u'llah and of Abdu'l-Baha. But whether the alleged will of Abdu'l-Baha is
authentic or spurious, the results of the administration of Shoghi Effendi and the National
Spiritual Assembly of Baha'is stand as an historical indictment against them. They no more represent
the Bahai Religion than the bigots of the dark ages of Christianity" (11-12).

"One of these actions is the trade marking of the name "Baha'i" in 1928. This is the same as if one
sect within Christianity had tried to trade mark the name "Christian." In their application for the
trade...
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  Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His a         


Author: PPEACE
Date: Oct 30, 2007 18:47

=(1)= Critics of Islam say that the Holy Qur'an presents a concept of
God Who is cruel and only chastises and commands its followers to
violence, that there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments. [- God
forbid -]
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=(2)= Many people in the public eye, including the Pope, have made
such assertions about Islam. They conclude that due to its teaching
Islam is a religion of force and that is the reason Muslims are
inclined to aggression.
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=(3)= It is clear that these people have either not read the Qur'an or
not tried to understand it, such is their prejudice. Fact is that
Islam presents a most beautiful and matchless concept of God through
examples. The very first Chapter/Surah of the Qur'an elucidates this,
as the Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) explains that the Qur'an
accredits only the name of Allah qualified for all perfect qualities.
His attribute of Al Nur (The Light) as described in 24:36 "Allah is
the light of the heavens and the earth..." all other known light is a
reflection of Allah's light.
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  Oct.29, 2007 response to a question in AllExperts.com, Bahá'í category         


Author:
Date: Oct 29, 2007 09:25

From: Maui

Subject: wake up

Question: When are you going to wake up?-"Orthodox Baha'i?"you can
try to harm the Faith but in the end you are only fanning the flames
of tribulation that will advance the Cause-for you own sake repent. I
will not be back to this site so any of your replies are cries to the
wind.

Answer: Dear readers in this AllExperts forum,

I consider you all to be precious souls, not mere "wind" as the
questioner has suggested, therefore I am making a brief comment.
Shoghi Effendi, the first of our Bahá'í Guardians officially
identified...
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  "They inflicted the greatest injury and cruelty, yet counted themselves firm in the Covenant"         


Author: Jeffrey
Date: Oct 28, 2007 10:58

On the newsgroup talk.religion.bahai, there has been considerable
discussion from time to time about shunning, as practiced by the sans-
Guardian Baha'is, those who currently occupy the headquarters in Haifa
and Wilmette. Remarkably, some of the members of that group have the
audacity to deny that the behavior is taking place, or relegate it to
some historical practice that is no longer being carried out.

The reality is that the sans-Guardian Baha'is have been consistently
perverting the Faith's teachings about shunning Covenant-breakers, to
carry out the most atrocious, cult-like and demonic, mind-control
methods of thought control, for the purpose of keeping its membership
in line, so that the leadership of the organization can effectively
control the minds and behavior of its world-wide adherents.

With the constant threat of being shunned, to have all of your friends
and family leave you and refuse any contact whatsoever, the sans-
Guardian Bahai leadership controls what its members do, think and...
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