The web site below has been updated to include the recent NSA's Reply
to the OBF's Response to the NSA's contempt motion, and the Orthodox
Baha'is recent Sur-Reply.

Enjoy!

http://www.truebahai.com/court/

Jeffrey

"AHWA" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182693356.189394.30740@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

I'm not passing judgment on your spiritual state Shahriar as you are
passing judgment on mine.

Obviously it is yourself and your own beliefs which need to be
scrutinized.

All I did was point to actual words, to actual contradictions between
those words and Baha'i religious practices.

What causes people such as Mirza Husayn Ali and his son Abbas Effendi
to get caught in such obvious contradiction, such obvious hypocrisy?
Their humanity, a humanity they would deny by taking on airs of
spiritual superiority when in reality they are as flawed as all other
humans.

If you wish to embrace hypocrisy this is your own choice, do not
criticize those who have chosen to reject such hypocrisy, that is
unless you wish to be a hypocrite yourself.

So much for your supposed belief in the oneness of humanity Shahriar,
a belief which is as shallow as Mirza Husayn Ali's was , as shallow as
Abbas Effendi's was. A belief they both gave voice to but could not
bring themselves to live up to in their own lives.

Yours

Hello Shahriar,

I'm not against any person or their religion, what I am against is
ignorance and hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy such as this:

Whatsoever hath led the children of men to shun one another, and hath
caused dissensions and divisions amongst them, hath, through the
revelation of these words, been nullified and abolished

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 95)

When a person has the above words coming out of one side of their
mouths while at the same time counseling people to shun certain people
it is ignorance in action. I reject such ignorance.

So to when a person says words such as these:

Let them see no one as their enemy, or as wishing them ill, but think
of all humankind as their friends; regarding the alien as an intimate,
the stranger as a companion, staying free of prejudice, drawing no
lines.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 1)

On Jun 26, 6:41 pm, "Shahriar" hotmail.com> wrote:

I am surprised when I see that some Baha'is think that to be a Baha'i
you need to be a member of one of the currently existing so called
Baha'i groups/organizations/leaders. The administrative order is only
an instrument of the Faith, and if it does not obey the spiritual
teachings it becomes a dangerous instrument. A hammer is beneficial if
used to construct homes for people, but if used to harm people and to
control their thinking, it is dangerous. This is also true of such
religious leaders or organizations. Shoghi Effendi made this fact
clear in his book The World Order of Baha'u'llah.

"I need not dwell upon what I have already reiterated and emphasized
that the administration of the Cause is to be conceived as an
instrument and not a substitute for the Faith of Baha'u'llah, that it...

Although not clearly understanding who the Aghsan were, the Hands of
the Cause of God, by their Proclamation of November 25, 1957,
demonstrated that they knew that there were no living Aghsan available
as potential successors to the Guardianship of the Bahá'í Faith. Did
not they believe, and do not sans-Guardian believers today believe
that Shoghi Effendi himself was aware of that fact?

Not even in Pilgrims' notes, not to mention the writings of Shoghi
Effendi is there any evidence that Shoghi Effendi considered the fact
that no Aghsan were available to succeed his Guardianship was a threat
to the continuing Guardianship of the Bahá'í Faith.

None.

None whatsoever.

Not even a hint.

Hello Shahriar,

Actually no. My mother became Baha'i when I was seven years old,
1960. I declared when I was 17, which was 1970. I resigned a couple
years ago after having the Canadian National Spiritual Assembly send
one of their operatives ( Mosen Enayat ) into my home to spy on me
under the pretext that, in his own words, he was simply: "one Baha'i
visiting another"; when in fact everything I discussed with him was
reported by him to the Canadian NSA.

I don't have to tolerate such Stasi like behavior from my government
and I'm certainly not going to tolerate it from any religion.

Yours

Larry Rowe

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/pressa/fighting_terror.htm?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium...

Fighting Terror the Right Way

by Rav Michael Laitman, PhD

makes us go to the doctor for treatment.
If we don't go, we will have to go when it's a migraine.

Fighting terror the right way is an oxymoron: You can't fight terror,
so there is no way of doing it "right." Why is it impossible? Because
terrorism is here for a purpose. Hence, whenever the victims find new
ways to defend against it, terrorists will find new ways to terrorize,
murder and generally wreak havoc, disorder and fear.

The purpose of terrorism is no different from the purpose of every
"evil" element in our world: to force us away from complacency when we
are inclined to be idle, and to force us to re-examine our situation.
If you look at the world from the Kabbalistic perspective, the whole
of humanity is one system, and terrorists are the headache that makes
us go to the doctor for treatment. If we don't go when it's a mild
headache, we will have to go when it's a migraine.

Huwa-l-Musta'aan!

It appears that my recommendations and badgerings to all of the bahaim
parties concerned has been heeded well in the past few years. I would
like to take this opportunity to congratulate Mr Nosrat'ullah
Bahremand of Perth, Australia in his accession of appointment as the
forthcoming 4th Guardian of the Marangellite Orthodox Baha'is:
http://www.bahaisorthodox.com/lett_per.htm

Tabrik Jenaab-i-Nosrat Effendi. Baraadar, maa baa-ham khayli kaar
daarim!

Innaa'Lilah wa innaa 'ilayhi raa'je'un!

Wahid Azal