Hi, Larry.

"diamondsouled" (rowe@northwestel.net) writes:

I've already commented on the first portion of your post.

Yes, it is important to be aware that there is a selection process going
on, that one, that the authorities in a religion are chosing to place a
priority on some words over other words. They say these words mean that
those words cannot be accepted.

It is important to be conscious of the opportunity to say since those
words have us aiming high and these words are bringing us down, then we
select what is universal, what is lofty, what is transcending human
segmentation, male dominance, etc.

Hi Hong,

"What do you mean by cause trouble?"

In this case, attempting to have a simple discussion with one or two people
who just talk right past the discussion to their own un-addressable concerns
with no possibility of appeasement. These one or two issue trouble makers
are impossible to talk to about anything except what they want to talk
about, and there is no solution to their problems. That is the kind of
troublemaker I am talking about.

They are one-trick ponies who cannot stop their one, old, well known trick
which some see as clever the first 500 times, but in the end it is just a
trick that we have all seen before. We have all seen both sides to the
issue and made our decisions, except these troublemakers who apparently have
no sense of propriety, justice or the ability to let people make their one
decisions. They keep harping and harping on an issue they cannot control or
influence in any way.

That the kind of trouble I believe I have the right, and the Baha'i Faith
has the responsibility, to avoid. It is what you call, according to your
one and only trick, shunning.

--Kent

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Hi, Larry.

"diamondsouled" (rowe@northwestel.net) writes:

If by compromised you mean that although saying they are universalists,
yet they perceive themselves as a fragment of humanity, I agree. The key
is to transcend such particular fundamental identifications and begin to
perceive the universality of humanity and the intricate tapestry of life
globally.

Hi, honghsien.

(honghsien@gmail.com) writes:

The thought is valid, in my opinion, though this particular prayer may be
more challenging for some Baha'is than the simple one Baha'u'llah asked
them to pray about removing difficulties. If they understand that the
difficulties are what keep humans divided, then they may be led to a
transcendence above the concepts that divide them.

Peace to You, too.

Michael

Sorry, Larry. This list isn't going to be used for the purpose of
attacking the Faith any longer.

Covenant

that

You're talking about shunning? Give me a break. Geez that is just silly.

If you see an obnoxious person, someone well known to you who in the past
has caused you trouble, walking toward you on the street, is it okay to
avoid that person? Or is that shunning? Or should I go out of my way to
allow that person to cause me trouble? Should I invite that person to my
house? Or better yet to your house?

--Kent

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Hi, Kent.

Hi Michael, I have no idea what you are talking about.

"Obedience of religious authorities cannot take precedence over ethical
action. "

You're right there. The best beloved of all things in the Sight of God is
justice.

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Hi, Kent.

"Kent Johnson" (kent@compx2.com) writes:

There is a well known global campaign conducted from the very top of
Baha'i that teaches the division of humanity, that teaches enmity, that
also teaches a number of other opposites to the cutting edge teachings
contained in the words of the Prophet.

My remarks had little to do with what is below the national
administration, save only in the extent to which the lower levels are
adversely impacted by the directives from the top.

The problem is not so much one of the disorganization of provincial,
district and local administration, but of the failure of global
administrators to teach and to live the life of the cutting edge human
centred words at the base of the Faith.

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Hi Michael.

" ... you consistently pass over the organized administration of Baha'i "

I would say that the administration of the Baha'i Faith is rather
disorganized, at least at every level under the national level. But the
people who administer the Faith I love are full of love and warmth and good
intentions and of the highest character of any administrative order I have
ever experienced.. If I am leaving something telling out of this statement
of full cooperation, admiration and obedience to the Baha'i administration
it is not on purpose. They are disorganized, sometimes silly, but certainly
not dishonest and never act with malice, in my experience.

--Kent

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