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Re: Still waiting to find out why Gibson wasn't charged for doing 87 in a 45         

Group: talk.politics.misc · Group Profile
Author: Geoffrey F. Green
Date: Aug 9, 2006 20:15

In article <1155145428.581702.84010@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Michael Angelo Ravera" prodigy.net> wrote:
> Bill Funk wrote:
>> On 8 Aug 2006 16:43:19 -0700, "Michael Angelo Ravera"
>> prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In California, it is only against the law to violate a posted speed
>>>limit that is less than the state maximum when you scare or endanger
>>>someone. Read CVC 22350. All of us Californians who have been driving
>>>for more than a couple of years (or ever gotten an in-town speeding
>>>ticket) have. It's in the DMV handbook. Those of us who took Driver Ed
>>>learned it in high school along with Newton's force equations and how
>>>to conjugate Spanish verbs.
>>
>> Basic Speed Law
>>
>> 22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
>> greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather,
>> visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway,
>> and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or
>> property.
>>
>> I don't see anything there about being able to go faster than the
>> posted speed limit.
>
> The posted speed limit in California is the competent authority's best
> reckoning of what CVC22350 would specify. In fact, CVC22351-5 *require*
> posting in accordance with CVC22350. The standard for rebutting the
> presumption that the speed that you were driving was safe (and in
> compliance with CVC22350) is simply "competant evidence". A standard
> below even "preponderance of the evidence".

Nope. Section 22348 says "Notwithstanding subdivision (b) of Section
22351, a person shall not drive a vehicle upon a highway with a speed
limit established pursuant to Section 22349 or 22356 at a speed
greater than that speed limit." It is thus illegal to speed.

Section 22351-a states "The prima facie limits are as follows and
shall be applicable unless changed as authorized in this code and, if
so changed, only when signs have been erected giving notice thereof:"
and gives certain default limits, such as 25 MPH "on any highway other
than a state highway." And, section 22349 states "{a) Except as
provided in Section 22356, no person may drive a vehicle upon a
highway at a speed greater than 65 miles per hour.

"(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person may drive a
vehicle upon a two-lane, undivided highway at a speed greater than 55
miles per hour unless that highway, or portion thereof, has been
posted for a higher speed by the Department of Transportation or
appropriate local agency upon the basis of an engineering and traffic
survey."

There are other speed-limit laws in the section which set limits for
certain types of roads.

All statutory text from http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm

Thus, where speed limits are established by law, exceeding those speed
limits is a violation of the law. Section 22350 clearly exists to
require drivers to drive at a safe speed given the prevailing driving
conditions. For example, on a highway that has a speed limit set at 70
mph, you can be cited for speeding per section 22350 even if you're
only going 70 if it's nighttime, foggy, and there's a driving
rainstorm. Section 22350 is not a "get-out-of-speeding-free" card.

By your interpretation of the law, section 22350 would make all of the
other specific speed limit laws redundant and of no effect. That's not
a correct way to interpret statutes.

Finally, there is no "CVC22351-5".

- geoff
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