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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 18:39
lanman wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2006 14:59:50 -0800, usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>>Would you support that Palestinians become Israeli citizens if they
>>stop indiscriminating violence?
>
> Should these Arabs become Israeli citizens, would they embrace equal
> rights and democracy, or would they attempt to create an Islamic state
> and subjugate Jews to dhimmi status, coversion, or death?
That is the question. Another question is: Would the state of Israel
abolish the doctrine to be a (religious defined) Jewish state and
become entirely secular and neutral?
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Author: patriotpatriot Date: Nov 29, 2006 18:49
usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
> I mean, when Yemenites, Ethiopians, Moroccans, Iraqis, Persians,
> Americans, Russians, Germans, Austrians can become Israeli citizens,
> then why not Palestinians?
SIMPLE: PALESTINIANS ARE THE ALWAYS BLOODTHIRSTY ARABS WHO WISH ONLY
DESTRACTION!
Many even don't need to move and only need a
> bureaucratic act to be treated as equals by the state. Yet when they
> apply many are denied because citizenship is at the discretion of the
> Minister of the Interior
>
> In Switzerland a person can become a citizen when the municipality
> decides about it in an election. The people in Tel Aviv or Haifa most
> probably have no problem with naturalising Palestinians. Only some
> die-hard fanatics and paranoids have a problem with that, or so it
> seems.
>
> If this requires some changes in or abolition of religiously influenced
> Israeli laws, then so be it. It is possible if the will is there.
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Author: AntiZioNaziAntiZioNazi Date: Nov 29, 2006 19:03
usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
> Theodore Herzl wrote:
>> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>>> I mean, when Yemenites, Ethiopians, Moroccans, Iraqis, Persians,
>>> Americans, Russians, Germans, Austrians can become Israeli citizens,
>>> then why not Palestinians? Many even don't need to move and only need a
>>> bureaucratic act to be treated as equals by the state. Yet when they
>>> apply many are denied because citizenship is at the discretion of the
>>> Minister of the Interior
>>>
>>> In Switzerland a person can become a citizen when the municipality
>>> decides about it in an election. The people in Tel Aviv or Haifa most
>>> probably have no problem with naturalising Palestinians. Only some
>>> die-hard fanatics and paranoids have a problem with that, or so it
>>> seems.
>>>
>>> If this requires some changes in or abolition of religiously influenced
>>> Israeli laws, then so be it. It is possible if the will is there.
>>
>> That is one of two solutions, the other being that Israel removes all ...
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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 19:20
> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>> The entire region was called Bilad al-Sham and was part of the Ottoman
>> Empire until Britain and France occupied it after WWI.
> I'm aware of the history of the region.
Many writers in Usenet are not. That's why I wrote a brief summary.
>> The League of Nations (predecessor of the UN) gave Britain and France permission in 1920.
> It was the Supreme Allied Council at the San Remo Conference of April
> 1920, which confirmed the February 1920 decision to award the various
> mandated territories of the defeated Ottoman and German Empires to,
> mainly, the British and the French (but also to Belgium, Japan,
> Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand).
>
>>France occupied Syria, Britain occupied Palestine and Iraq.
> There was no Iraq until Britain created it from the Mandate for
> Mesopotamia. Ditto the former Ottoman territories which became British Palestine.
> As above, I am aware of the history of the region.
Was the Mandate for these occupied Ottoman provinces called Mesopotamia
or Iraq?
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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 19:46
Joe King wrote:
> wrote:
>> V i v a P a l e s t i n e! wrote:
>>> The Jews, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete
>>> dispossession of the Palestinian population so that Israel could be a
>>> wholly Jewish state.
>>
>> Not all Jews. The Jews who lived in Palestine before the Zionist
>> movement did not want to create a Jewish state. In the late 19th
>> century radical ideas like nationalism and socialism became widespread.
>> One of these developments of that time was Zionism.
>>
>> The Zionists did not want to dispossess the Palestinians but they
>> wanted a permanent Jewish rule over the state (like the Maronites in
>> Lebanon). A state is always more or less an oppressor, the problem is
>> not the Jews or the Zionists or the Israelis (3 different groups, an
>> individual can be a member of 1, 2, all 3, or none of these groups),
>> but the problem is the concept of the territorial state. Unfortunately
>> the nation-state is the ruling paradigma today.
>> ...
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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 19:47
Joe King wrote:
> wrote:
>>> Mexican Bandolero wrote:
>>>> Calling all Pallies. Convert to Jewish and become citizens of Israel.
>>>> Allah will be very proud of 'ya.
>>> Allah would be prouder if the Pallies obeyed the Will of Allah, who
>>> gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel.
>> Aren't the Pallies also children of Israel?
>
> No.
And if they convert to Judaism?
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Author: markzoommarkzoom Date: Nov 29, 2006 20:00
DoD wrote:
>>
>> jgarbuz wrote:
>>> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>>>> I mean, when Yemenites, Ethiopians, Moroccans, Iraqis, Persians,
>>>> Americans, Russians, Germans, Austrians can become Israeli citizens,
>>>> then why not Palestinians?<
>>>
>>> First of all, there aren't many Yemenites, Moroccans, Iraqis, Persians,
>>> Amricans, RUssians etc., living in Israel. There are JEWS who were
>>> formerly in exile in Yemen,Morocco, Iraq, Persia, America, Russia,
>>> etc., who are today living in Israel. As for Arabs, there are 1.1
>>> million Arabs who are citizens of Israel, mainly the offspring of those
>>> Arabs who chose to remain peacefully inside Israel in 1948, and thereby
>>> chose to become citizens of the Jewish state. They were no forced to
>>> stay, or to go. They made their choice by NOT using their feet to
>>> leave. Now the question remains, why can't the Jews now living in
>>> Judah, Samaria and the Golan remain there as citizens of any future ...
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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 20:06
> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>> Theodore Herzl wrote:
>>> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>>>> I mean, when Yemenites, Ethiopians, Moroccans, Iraqis, Persians,
>>>> Americans, Russians, Germans, Austrians can become Israeli citizens,
>>>> then why not Palestinians? Many even don't need to move and only need a
>>>> bureaucratic act to be treated as equals by the state. Yet when they
>>>> apply many are denied because citizenship is at the discretion of the
>>>> Minister of the Interior
>>>>
>>>> In Switzerland a person can become a citizen when the municipality
>>>> decides about it in an election. The people in Tel Aviv or Haifa most
>>>> probably have no problem with naturalising Palestinians. Only some
>>>> die-hard fanatics and paranoids have a problem with that, or so it
>>>> seems.
>>>>
>>>> If this requires some changes in or abolition of religiously influenced
>>>> Israeli laws, then so be it. It is possible if the will is there.
>>> ...
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Author: usenet_trashusenet_trash Date: Nov 29, 2006 20:23
zev wrote:
> wrote:
>> zev wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> kimber wrote:
>>>>> after the deals in the 90's and the suicide bombings started after?
>>>> Israel delayed (because of Israeli rejectionist's influence) and
>>>> stopped (because of Palestinian rejectionist's suicide bombings) the
>>>> implementation of the deals in the 90s.
>>> "Implementation" lost popular support when too many Jews were killed.
>> It equally lost popular support among Palestinians when the deals were
>> delayed and the Israeli government used collective punishment as
>> deterrence.
>>
>>> Don't put 'some' of the blame on Israel.
>> It belongs there partly.
>>
>>> Arafat and his gang are 100%% responsible for the failure
>>> of the Oslo Agreements to get off the ground.
>> No, they are not. The Palestinian suicide bombers and the Israeli ...
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Author: markzoommarkzoom Date: Nov 29, 2006 20:35
Joe King wrote:
>>
>> jgarbuz wrote:
>>> usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
>
>> The real questions are:
>> Why are a sub-2%% minority of zionists in such control of an alleged
>> "western democracy" like the USA?
>> Why have the most ardent campaigner for their own racist "homeland"
>> still living in the USA.
>> When will they move to the "homeland" they are loyal to?
>
> The real question is, "why westerners cower in fear, afraid to say anything
> which may be construed as offensive to Muslims"? If Islam is the great
> religion which Muslims believe t is then it would stand up to srcutiny."
>
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