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	<title><![CDATA[So Heller didn't mean anything, eh loon sneasel?]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Better tell your neo-commie brothers that socialism is failing BIG<br>TIME in the Chicago area.<br><br>Here, let me rub your nose in it again.<br><br>Wilmette village trustees voted Tuesday night to strike the villages<br>1989 handgun ban from the books in the wake of last months U.S.<br>Supreme Court decision to overturn a Washington, D.C., ban. <br><br>Village officials suspended enforcement of the ordinance shortly after<br>the June 26 ruling and said it would probably not withstand legal<br>challenges based on the courts reasoning in the ruling, which said<br>outright gun bans are unconstitutional. <br><br>The proposed ordinance to repeal the local ban was passed unanimously<br>late Tuesday night. <br><br>The Supreme Court has made their decision. It calls into question our<br>ordinance, said Village President Chris Canning. We thought the best<br>thing to do was to suspend enforcement immediately and then look at<br>our legal options, and at least personally, I think the strongest<br>option that would give a clean slate to the whole situation would be<br>to repeal the ordinance. <br><br>Trustees said they would explore other possible regulations, but felt<br>the current ordinance would not withstand a legal challenge. <br><br>AND:<br><br>Last, but not least, also earlier this week Evanston, Illinois<br>aldermen unanimously voted to amend the city's 27-year-old handgun ban<br>to comply with Heller. City officials acknowledged that in light of<br>Heller and a NRA financed lawsuit that rather than engaging in a<br>losing and expensive proposition, it would be the intelligent move to<br>come up with a registration ordinance though the details have yet to<br>be determined.<br><br>The City of Evanston apparently will seek to have the NRA lawsuit<br>dismissed, based on its plan to bring the law into compliance with the<br>court ruling. I will simply note that Buckhannon Board & Care Home,<br>Inc. v. West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, 532<br>U.S. 598 (2001) requires a formal court judgment for a party to gain<br>42 USC 1988 fees. Making sure that this is done right is a matter of<br>fiduciary responsibility that rests on the NRA Board. <br><br><br><br><br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH<br>LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH <br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:28:50 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: ROBERT NOVACK -- Syndicated Columnist -- In Hit &amp; Run In D.C. !]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br>"Bo Raxo" <crimenewscenter@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote in message <br>news:gLGdnXlW14PSLxrVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@<a href="http://comcast.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">comcast.com</a>...<br>><br>> "James Fenimore" <slipuvalad@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message <br>> news:c3cf1a6b-09bf-4790-9b28-b6e4716fcf16@<a href="http://w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com</a>...<br>>> "Prince of Darkness" journalist Robert D. Novack this afternoon struck<br>>> a 66-year-old man in a Washington, D.C., crosswalk, and according to<br>>> an eyewitness, with the victim "splayed" on the car's hood, made a<br>>> hard right turn, throwing the body from the car, then sped down the<br>>> street and into a parking facility.<br>>><br>>> Interviewed by ABC TV 7 News as he later walked near the scene in<br>>> D.C., Novack said, "I didn't know I had hit anyone," when asked why he<br>>> didn't stop.  The news reporter said the police told her Novack would<br>>> be charged with failure to yield right-of-away to a pedestrian.<br>>><br>>> Asked about Novack's response, the as yet unidentified witness said<br>>> there is "no way" the driver could not have known there was a body on<br>>> his car hood.<br>>><br>><br>> Novak making a hard right turn and ruining someone's life - it's like the <br>> Valerie Plame story all over again.<br>><br>> Perhaps Novak can get his pals in the Bush administration to declare the <br>> pedestrian an illegal combatant, and ship him off to Gitmo.<br>><br>> And here is your money quote:<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/23/novak-swings-too-far-right-hits-pedestrian" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/23/novak-swings-too-far-right-hits-pedestrian</a>/<br>><br>> Novak is known for being an aggressive driver, telling the Washington <br>> Post's Reliable Source column back in 2001, "I really hate jaywalkers. I <br>> despise them. Since I don't run the country, all I can do is yell at 'em. <br>> The other option is to run 'em over, but as a compassionate conservative, <br>> I would never do that."<br>><br>><br>> <br><br><br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:40:26 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[sweden model for the american economy]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[This "welfare state" model is an excellent example of effective national <br>taxes.  Among other things the state provides universal tax-funded <br>childcare, parental leave, health care, education (including university), <br>retirement pensions and sick leave. Including value added tax (VAT - kind of <br>like sales tax), it is possible to pay up to 80%% of your income as taxes. <br>Contrary to popular belief, Swedes are quite OK with their high taxes. After <br>all it gives them tons of free and high quality services - what's not to be <br>happy about!<br><br>Sweden is also the home of IKEA - the worlds largest furniture store. IKEA's <br>founder Ingvar Kampard is famous for being the 7th richest person in the <br>world (Net worth $31 billion) and driving a 15 year old Volvo station wagon. <br>It has been claimed that more people read the Ikea catalogue than the <br>Bible - and that one in ten Europeans have been conceived on an Ikea bed.<br><br><br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:52 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[reduction in auto fatalities offer hope for less gun crimes]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[with the rising gas prices it has now been seen and reported that auto <br>accidents have beeb fewer because there are fewer cars on the road.<br><br>so, why not increase gun prices? may be we can have safe-living tax on guns.<br><br>other example is fewer deaths due to decreasing tobacco consumption made <br>possbile by higher taxes on tobaco and a whole bunch lawsuits on tobaco <br>makers. may be gun makers could be sued and guns taxed more.<br><br>i can offer more help if you all need it with more suggestions that dr. dyer <br>also would approve of. <br><br><br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:15:35 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[america's safest towns - their secrets]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[i have made very few calls in these safe towns to find out their secrets. it <br>takes a little doing to find out hteir secrets. but input indicated they <br>have low gun ownership denisty.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.travelchannel.com/Travel_Ideas/Family_Vacations/ci.America's_Safest_Towns.artTravelIdeasFmt?vgnextfmt=artTravelIdeasFmt" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.travelchannel.com/Travel_Ideas/Family_Vacations/ci.America's_Safest_Towns...</a><br><br><br><br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:32:08 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[CHINA:   Blacks &amp; Mongolians banned from Olympics]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br><a href="http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080723/OPINION/807230331/1027/OPINION01" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080723/OPINION/807230331/10...</a><br>July 23, 2008 - 7:06 am<br><br><br>China's official motto for<br>the 2008 Olympics in Beijing,<br><br>"One World, One Dream,"<br>is beginning to seem like one big joke.<br><br>To secure the Games and all the<br>prestige that comes with them,<br>China's government promised that<br>it would do more to respect human<br>rights and that the media covering<br>the Games would be free of censorship.<br><br>With just weeks to go<br>before the Games begin,<br>neither has proven true.<br><br>Isolation only hardens totalitarian regimes,<br>so the gamble the International Olympic<br>Committee took when it awarded the Games<br>to China was worthwhile.<br><br>But it's a gamble that the committee,<br>the athletes and China will lose if the<br>story of the Games becomes not one of<br>athletic accomplishments and international<br>brotherhood but repression,<br>censorship and violence.<br><br>Each day, it seems,<br>brings additional proof that<br>China did not deserve to<br>host the Games.<br><br>The latest came Friday when the<br>English language South China Morning<br>Post reported that Chinese authorities<br>planned to secretly ban blacks and<br>Mongolians from Beijing bars during<br>the Olympics.<br><br>Some Africans had been<br>selling drugs in Beijing bars,<br>and some Mongolian women were<br>working as prostitutes,<br>according to Canada's<br>Globe and Mail,<br><br>but the planned ban is reportedly a blanket one.<br><br>Blacks living in Beijing are<br>reporting regular harassment -<br>being asked to pay higher cover<br>charges to enter bars and forced<br>to show passports when white<br>foreigners are not.<br><br>Bar owners have reportedly been<br>forced to sign a pledge to ban<br>all "undesirables" during the Games.<br><br>One can only imagine<br>the consequences<br>for violating the ban.<br><br>What will happen when black tourists<br>are turned away and they go to the press?<br><br>Chinese authorities are reneging<br>on promises of press freedom,<br>denying visas to some visitors<br>and journalists assigned to<br>cover the Games and limiting<br>the hours that networks televising<br>the Games can operate.<br><br>So far,<br>they've only been authorized<br>to broadcast from 6 to 10 a.m.<br>and 9 to 11 p.m. Satellite access,<br><br>which has been severely restricted,<br>will supposedly be permitted during<br>the Games, but no one is counting on it.<br><br>All demonstrations,<br>commercial messages and protests<br>are strictly prohibited, but<br>when a protest occurs, it's news.<br><br>With much of the world angry over<br>China's repression of Tibet and<br>the blind eye it's turned on the<br>genocide in Darfur, protests are likely.<br><br>But the networks, which spent vast<br>sums for the rights to air the Games,<br>fear that they will lose their<br>investment if they report the news.<br><br>Others fear worse.<br><br>Some international journalists,<br>including several for American networks,<br>have reported getting anonymous death<br>threats linked to coverage of protests in Tibet.<br><br>Innocent Chinese are suffering as well.<br><br>Chinese authorities have been evicting<br>and tearing down the slum homes of people<br>living near the Olympic venue and banishing<br>mental patients, beggars and others who<br>might send a less than glossy image of<br>the nation out to the world.<br><br>That too, is news that the world will want to see.<br><br>The Chinese government seems unable to<br>resist exerting rigid control to prevent<br>dissent and project a false reality.<br><br>Unless it does,<br>the international stature it hoped<br>to achieve by hosting the Games will<br>be that of a brutal oppressor.<br><br>The choice is theirs, but at the moment,<br>the world's small ration of respect for<br>China's government is shrinking, not growing. <br><br><br>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:52:37 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: ...Blacks restricted from Beijing Bars During Olympics....Should Blacks Boycott?]]></title>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: ...Blacks restricted from Beijing Bars During Olympics....Should Blacks Boycott?]]></title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:41:29 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about History .......  Felons say Supreme Court's ruling means they cannot be barred from owning guns]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Bama Brian wrote:<br>> Reality_Check<br>
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