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  Re: 8 weeks jail for possessing cannabis         


Author: Pete nospam Zakel
Date: Dec 26, 2008 12:10

In article "JohnR" hotmail.com> writes:
>"Aidy" wrote in message
>news:lPKdndyYiIpI9s_UnZ2dnUVZ8u6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "How much does medicinal morphine cost and how much does the equivalent in
>> heroin cost? Also what luxury taxes and duties are levvied on medicinal
>> morphine? Also how much is spent on advertising and packaging for
>> medicinal
>> morphine?"
>A lot of the information is difficult to obtain unless you're directly
>involved in the supply or administration of palliative care.
>There was a guy used to post here very regularly who was a nurse in the NHS
>and had access to the information, he posted some very detailed information
>about equivalent costs. The legal, medical drug was many times cheaper.
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15801998?dopt=Abstract
>Take note of the last two lines.
>
>Prohibition fails regardless, the gestapo's own drug war numbers show that.

Note that I don't know the prices of legal opioids.
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  Re: 8 weeks jail for possessing cannabis         


Author: Pete nospam Zakel
Date: Dec 26, 2008 12:04

In article "Aidy" writes:
>Again we are back to your silly belief that cigarettes are worse than
>heroin. As has been mentioned, it isn't just the frequency of the hit that
>is required, but the function of the person while under the influence. I
>could nip out for a cig every hour or two, or have two pints at lunch time,
>and I dare say my job would not be affected. You couldn't shoot up some
>heroin in the morning then the afternoon and expect to drive a bus all day.

Actually, if you are a heroin addict, then it is imperative you *do* shoot up
some heroin in the morning, and then possibly late in the afternoon, to ensure
you ward off withdrawal symptoms.

Remember, just like with cigarettes and nicotine, and heroin addict NEEDS a
certain amount of heroin to be "normal".

I wouldn't want a tobacco addict driving a bus after not using nicotine for
12 hours, and I wouldn't want a heroin addict driving a bus after not using
heroin for over 12 hours. You don't want someone going through withdrawal
while driving a bus.
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  Re: 8 weeks jail for posessing cannabis         


Author: Walter Bushell
Date: Dec 25, 2008 19:39

In article <90mvk4t2as09f1qe1itsrhkb06sv4pe4qk@4ax.com>,
Cynic yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:00:23 -0000, "Aidy"
> wrote:
>
>>> The government's *only* duty is to ensure that citizens have available
>>> sufficient information to be able to make an informed choice. Other
>>> than that, it should keep its nose out of anything that consenting
>>> adults choose to do unless the activity causes significant harm to
>>> non-consenting parties.
>>
>>Your political beliefs are not entirely relevant. In this country the
>>g'ment *do* legislate to save you from yourself so they *wont* allow any old
>>hard drugs to be legalised.
>
> I know what the situation *is*.
>
> That does not mean that it is correct.
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  Re: 8 weeks jail for posessing cannabis         


Author: Walter Bushell
Date: Dec 25, 2008 19:30

In article 4ax.com>,
Cynic yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:01:12 -0000, "Aidy"
> wrote:
>
>>Yes, and when one avenue is closed to the crim, another is found. Poor
>>people's living standards don't get better...
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  Re: 8 weeks jail for posessing cannabis         


Author: Walter Bushell
Date: Dec 25, 2008 19:27

In article 4ax.com>,
Cynic yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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  Re: The cost of drug prohibition in Mexico         


Author: SSDD
Date: Dec 25, 2008 10:39

This is utter bullshit. Even the hardest of drugs, heroin, hasn't made
anyone kill anyone "while under the influence". 99%% of the problems with
addiction stem from the prohibition, not from use. Dare to prove otherwise.

"Aidy" wrote in message
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>> 7,000 dead in 2 years as a direct result of Amerikka's prohibition of
>> certain drugs.
>>
>> http://www...
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  Re: The cost of drug prohibition in Mexico         


Author: Sla#s
Date: Dec 25, 2008 03:26

unit743 wrote:
>>
> I can only express my astonishment and as I am not prepared to
> research the subject, it is only fair that I defer to your superior
> knowledge.
> I have no direct experience of addiction wrt illegal drugs but as I
> live near a large city I am aware of affect it has on the local
> populace. In my youth, my friends and I smoked constantly, got pissed
> every
> Friday and Saturday night but still held down responsible jobs and
> raised families. Most gave up smoking over the years for various
> reasons, family pressure, outrage at the taxation, health etc, and I can
> not think of
> any of them who failed a serious attempt.
> Likewise with alcohol. No one I know has become an alcoholic to my
> knowledge even after a good few years of over indulgence and then many
> years of regular intake. Beer bellies maybe but uncontrolled excess,
> not. Most have reduced their intake due to health risks and now a
> bottle or two of wine or a few beers a week are enough.
> If it is your considered and informed opinion that if the same number ...
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  Re: The cost of drug prohibition in Mexico         


Author: Sla#s
Date: Dec 25, 2008 03:07

Svenne wrote:
>
> It is not noticable how addicted some people are because tobacco is
> legal, relatively cheap and easily obtainable. If it were illegal it
> would cause the same problems with some addicts as heroin currently
> does.

It is also of note that most people who give up heroin can't give up
tobacco.

Slatts
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  Re: The cost of drug prohibition in Mexico         


Author: Sla#s
Date: Dec 25, 2008 03:04

Pete nospam Zakel wrote:
> I've known heroin addicts who would turn themselves in to get detoxed
> so that
> they could then start using less heroin again since once you've built
> up a
> healthy habit you also build up a healthy resistance so it costs
> quite a bit
> more to get a good buzz.
>

I've known heroin addicts who gave up to go on holiday with their parents!

The point is they were legal users who just like tobacco addicts knew they
could go right back on it at the end of the hols. Very weird. - that's why I
still say it's the person not the drug to a greater extent than most
authorities believe.

Slatts
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  Re: 8 weeks jail for posessing cannabis         


Author: JohnR
Date: Dec 24, 2008 15:51

"Aidy" wrote in message
news:DNadnZEU1puFjc_UnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> They would have little choice in the matter - the only thing that makes
>> currently illicit drugs so obscenely luctrative is your beloved
>> prohibition.
>
> And if legalised they would simply move onto other criminal activities.
> Maybe ones even more detrimental to society?
>
Like what shit for brains?
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