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Author: AmroAmro
Date: Jun 1, 2010 12:17
..anointed with crocodile oil which was called
Messiah. Mary is an ancient Egyptian name
means beautiful. Moses was an ancient
Egyptian name meaning son or child.
The Hymn of Akhenaten is identical
of Psalm verse. Many proverbs in the
book of proverbs could be found in ancient
Egyptian literature. Horus son of Osiris
was thrown into the Nile in a basket when
he was a baby. Osiris was killed, mutilated
and then risen alife. Isis was portrayed
with Horus just like the icon Mary and baby
Jesus. The seven year famine was circulated
in ancient Egyptian litreture before the
story of Joseph. There is a statue of Horus
in a horse killing the dragon long before
st. George. There is no any evidence
of a kingdom of David and Solomon in
Palestine nor there was a mention of them
in ancient Egyptian or Mesopotamian ...
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Author: DKleineckeDKleinecke
Date: Jun 1, 2010 07:34
Finding things to "improve" in the Qur'an is easy. Here is a simple
example - surat 113.
There are five lines and the only hint of a rhyme is between the last
two. But I know better than to stop there in one of these "poetic"
surats. If I accept the traditional vowels, then the syllable
structure (^ for a long syllable and ' for a short one) is
^'^' '^^'''
^ ^'^'''
'^^'^' ^'^'''
'^^^^^ ^'^'''
'^^'^' ^'^'''
where I have separated off the part common to all four later ayats and
its equivalent in the first ayat. Clearly what holds this together is
not a rhyme but the meter. Ignoring the first line, all the others end
in the rhythm ^'^'''. Lines 3 and 5 have exactly the same rhythm
throughout. But line 2 and line 4 differ.
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Author: Yusuf B GurseyYusuf B Gursey
Date: Jun 1, 2010 07:34
On May 27, 12:37 pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:> On May 26, 2:46=3DA0am, Yusuf B Gursey theworld.com> wrote:
>>> On May 24, 10:25 pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:>
>>> On May 23, 11:27=3D3DA0pm, Yusuf B Gursey theworld.com> wrote:>
>>>> On May 23, 10:04=3D3D3DA0pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrot=e:
>>>>> When I say that I am skeptical I mean I am SKEPTICAL. I don't thi=
nk
>>>>> that any of the Islamic history before the end of the first fitna=
c=3D
> an
>>>>> be trusted at all and very little immediately thereafter
>
>>>> Donner does not agree. the broad brush strokes of what happened aft=
er
>>>> the Hijra are agreed upon by all the sects. the simplest explanatio=
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Author: DKleineckeDKleinecke
Date: May 14, 2010 03:53
On May 12, 6:35=A0pm, Yusuf B Gursey theworld.com> wrote:
> so you say you shouldn't be taken seriously?
There is serious and there is serious. I am dead serious about the
fact that I believe my speculations (and Wansbrough's) are to be
considered just as valid as anybody else's. But I don't think ANY
historical reconstruction should be taken too seriously (mine
included). We differ in respect to our respect for authority. I have
little use, generally speaking, for authorities on any subject as
fuzzy as history. But life is too short for me to examine all the
evidence so I accept an opinion from time to time from some
"authority" I trust. Wansbrough is a good example. I do not agree
with him about everything but when i know no reason to disagree with
him I will accept his opinion. I accept Wansbrough because I feel is
the most plausible writer on these subjects that I have discovered.
I find Juynboll as plausible as Wansbrough and as far as I know the
two do not contradict one another. There are other people whose
opinions I value but, today, these would be IMO the leaders in the
study of islamic origins.
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Author: Yusuf B GurseyYusuf B Gursey
Date: May 13, 2010 19:56
On May 9, 11:11 pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:> On May 9, 12:19=A0am, Yusuf B Gursey theworld.com> wrote:
>>> On May 8, 10:29 pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:
>> huh? `Umar was assasinated by a Persian, for nationalistic reasons,
>> `Uthman had no part in it.>
>> see above, your own comments. Franco led an army against Republican
>> Spain, then kept the King hostage. I fail to see any parallel with
>> `Uthman at all.
>
> The Spanish rebel generals were a cabal who chose one of their number
> to be leader. You are still having trouble thinking skeptically. I
> said in this same post that I didn't think 'Umar was ever amir. I
> would answer we have no idea what led up to the cabal forming.
> Doubtless people were killed - perhaps even 'Umar. It is all...
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Author: iconoclasticonoclast
Date: May 13, 2010 17:04
On May 11, 2:42=A0pm, drahcir gmail.com> wrote:> On May 10, 11:31=3DA0pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:
>
First the snip which trims away context for Mr. Kleinecke's
conclusion.
>> The bomber points to Islam - but Islam does not
>> point to the bomber.
Then the launching into a kind and gentle but nevertheless ad hominem
evaluation of his opponent's personality.
> I have noticed that you often make statements stating your opinion as
> fact. =A0i don't think you do this willfully - I just think that you
> have constructed your world in such a way that if you don't rely on
> assumptions, things fall apart.
Following that we find pure speculation stated as if fact as to what a
bomber "would say," which eliminates any mention of the political and
international issues which drive Jihad, the political issues which in
fact are specific preconditions to Defensive Jihad in the doctrine.
Thrown in is the assertion, straight from the imaginary Jihadi, that
all Muslims are Jihadis.
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Author: iconoclasticonoclast
Date: May 13, 2010 17:04
On May 5, 9:23=A0pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:> On May 5, 12:12=3DA0pm, drahcir gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Terrorism" is defined in US law as
>
>> "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against
>> noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents"
>
> That obviously misses all the Islamic extremists because they are
> religiously motivated.
>
> Or at least you would argue that way.
>
> Myself I find the motives of extremists inscrutable. =A0There is so much
> ambiguity in the world. =A0How is it possible to become extreme about
> anything?
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Author: drahcirdrahcir
Date: May 13, 2010 17:04
On May 11, 9:02=A0pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:> On May 11, 12:42=3DA0pm, drahcir gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 10, 11:31=3D3DA0pm, DKleinecke gmail.com> wrote:>>> The bomber points to Islam - but Islam does not
>>> point to the bomber.
>
>> I have noticed that you often make statements stating your opinion as
>> fact. =3DA0i don't think you do this willfully - I just think that you
>> have constructed your world in such a way that if you don't rely on
>> assumptions, things fall apart.
>
> I think I do it willfully. Everything i say has an implicit "in my
> opinion". Everybody does it and Ieverybody understands the implicit
> caveat. =A0Your own posts are full of examples. It's a waste of time
> pointing them out in each others posts.
>
>> The bomber, were he still with us,
>> would say that your moderate approach points to Islam, but Islam does
>> not point to your moderate approach. For the bomber, his Islam, the ...
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Author: Zuiko AzumaziZuiko Azumazi
Date: Sep 23, 2008 00:47
Another slant on being anti-Muslim in an election spin year. It's by Richard
Silverstein . Check it out the forever faithful Tikun Olam website:-
Extract:-
Anti-Muslim Film Produced by Pro-Israel Partisan Boosts McCain
Sep 14th, 2008 by Richard Silverstein | 29
You do the hanky-panky and you smear the other guy
That's what it's all about.
Yes, the right-wing pro-Israel crowd is up to its usual shenanigans I'm
afraid.and going about it in their typically sly, surreptitious way. Greg
Mitchell reports that the Clarion Fund, founded by Israeli-Canadian Raphael
Shore, is distributing 28-million copies of the anti-Muslim propaganda film,
Obsession, to voters in election swing states. This is a film that is such
noxious propaganda that no major film distributor would touch it with a 10
foot pole. Until now, it's been relegated to the university film circuit
where right-wing and pro-Israel campus groups have organized screenings.
Among its other subtleties, the film attempts to equate Islam with Nazism,
as Mitchell writes ...
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Author: Zuiko AzumaziZuiko Azumazi
Date: Sep 22, 2008 20:04
"Robert Houghton" f2s.com> wrote in message
news:000501c915bd$098d57b0$537089c3@houghtona6bc7e...
... ...
Comment:-
Doesn't this message of yours demolish all of your previous anti-Muslim
posts that falsely maintained that Islam is unchangeable and that Muslims
are incapable of critical theological interpretation?
...
> What is going on? What on earth got into the left-liberal Islamophiles of
> the BBC? What are their notions of Islam based upon? Who are their
> sources in Turkey?
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