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David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: Rod
Date: May 9, 2008 18:18

David;

On the subject of simon magus aside from what is in the scriptures,
their seem to be variations of stories pertaining to him having a
confrontation with Peter in Rome, and the stories are of authors just as
dubious in reputation as the story itself. What do you make of this,
and are any of the authors have even a small amount of credibility on
simple matters ?

Rod
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: David
Date: May 10, 2008 07:22

On May 9, 9:18 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>...
>      On the subject of simon magus aside from what is in the scriptures,
> their seem to be variations of stories pertaining to him having a
> confrontation with Peter in Rome, and the stories are of authors just as
> dubious in reputation as the story itself. What do you make of this,
> and are any of the authors have even a small amount of credibility on
> simple matters ?
>...

The miracles of healing, contained in the apocryphal literature,
caused it to be discredited by the earlier school of critics. Much
has been lost to us through the dismissal of this literature.

I recommend giving the following Thiering article a complete
read to change your perspective. Here is a reasonable explanation
for why Peter and Simon were having a confrontation in Rome so
spirited that it ended in Simon's death -

An air-borne heretic
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/398
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: speedy
Date: May 11, 2008 15:18

"David" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:812f9fd4-0824-45a5-809a-dac82136e0e8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 9:18 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>...
> On the subject of simon magus aside from what is in the scriptures,
> their seem to be variations of stories pertaining to him having a
> confrontation with Peter in Rome, and the stories are of authors just as
> dubious in reputation as the story itself. What do you make of this,
> and are any of the authors have even a small amount of credibility on
> simple matters ?
>...

The miracles of healing, contained in the apocryphal literature,
caused it to be discredited by the earlier school of critics. Much
has been lost to us through the dismissal of this literature.

I recommend giving the following Thiering article a complete
read to change your perspective.
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: David
Date: May 11, 2008 16:49

On May 11, 6:18 pm, "speedy" yahoo.com> wrote:
> "David" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:812f9fd4-0824-45a5-809a-dac82136e0e8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 9:18 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>
>>...
>> On the subject of simon magus aside from what is in the scriptures,
>> their seem to be variations of stories pertaining to him having a
>> confrontation with Peter in Rome, and the stories are of authors just as
>> dubious in reputation as the story itself. What do you make of this,
>> and are any of the authors have even a small amount of credibility on
>> simple matters ?
>>...
>
> The miracles of healing, contained in the apocryphal literature,
> caused it to be discredited by the earlier school of critics.  Much
> has been lost to us through the dismissal of this literature.
>
> I recommend giving the following Thiering article a complete ...
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: Rod
Date: May 12, 2008 12:13

speedy wrote:
> "David" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:812f9fd4-0824-45a5-809a-dac82136e0e8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 9:18 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>> ...
>> On the subject of simon magus aside from what is in the scriptures,
>> their seem to be variations of stories pertaining to him having a
>> confrontation with Peter in Rome, and the stories are of authors just as
>> dubious in reputation as the story itself. What do you make of this,
>> and are any of the authors have even a small amount of credibility on
>> simple matters ?
>> ...
>
> The miracles of healing, contained in the apocryphal literature,
> caused it to be discredited by the earlier school of critics. Much
> has been lost to us through the dismissal of this literature.
>
> I recommend giving the following Thiering article a complete
> read to change your perspective.
> ...
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: David
Date: May 13, 2008 06:46

On May 12, 3:13 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>...
>    The main thing that attracted me in all of this is a recurring
>    theme of the impossible being performed with an audience
>    present. Throughout history there have been recurrences of
>    impossible feats performed in front of audiences, and the mystery
>    for me is what driving force has been behind it. In most instances
>    it seems as though it is the same type of things repeating themselves
>    over a span of centuries.
>
>    First their were the Chaldeans and the gregorian chant, then St.
>    Germain and the tetragrammaton, then along came the jews and what they
>    termed as "higher knowledge of God", or as it is known now,
>    Qua'ballah.
>
>    I'm interested in the root of these stories about Simon Magus and his
>    abnormal abilities, the root of his knowledge. I'm just as sure that
>    Peter knew many things as well, though I'm sure an apostle would be
>    reluctant to discuss any observations made of his rivals abilities
>    with another. Christians are very closed mouthed and ignorant when it ...
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: Here Too
Date: May 13, 2008 18:28

On May 12, 12:13 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>    The main thing that attracted me in all of this is a recurring
>    theme of the impossible being performed with an audience
>    present. Throughout history there have been recurrences of
>    impossible feats performed in front of audiences, and the mystery
>    for me is what driving force has been behind it. In most instances
>    it seems as though it is the same type of things repeating themselves
>    over a span of centuries.

Alot of words, none of them making any sense...
>    First their were the Chaldeans and the gregorian chant,

The Chaldeans were from Babylon (you know, Iraq?) and Gregorian chants
originated with Egyptian Christian monks.
> then St.
>    Germain and the tetragrammaton,

The Count of St. Germain was an 18th Century occultist from
Transylvania who had nothing to do with the tetragrammaton that is
found over 6000 times in the Hebrew Masoretic text of the Tanakh.
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: Rod
Date: May 14, 2008 14:53

Here Too wrote:
> On May 12, 12:13 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>
>> The main thing that attracted me in all of this is a recurring
>> theme of the impossible being performed with an audience
>> present. Throughout history there have been recurrences of
>> impossible feats performed in front of audiences, and the mystery
>> for me is what driving force has been behind it. In most instances
>> it seems as though it is the same type of things repeating themselves
>> over a span of centuries.
>
> Alot of words, none of them making any sense...

Thats the very thing that I've said all along about your trolling
and forging of posts, the problem is that you won't stop making
a general mess of the bandwidth with your posts.
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Author: Here Too
Date: May 14, 2008 19:00

On May 14, 2:53 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>    Thats the very thing that I've said all along about your trolling
>    and forging of posts, the problem is that you won't stop making
>    a general mess of the bandwidth with your posts.

I'm not a troll and I have never once forged a post in Usenet. As far
as the bandwidth is concerned - I couldn't care less.
>> The Chaldeans were from Babylon (you know, Iraq?) and Gregorian chants
>> originated with Egyptian Christian  monks.
>
>    And I care because ???

Foolishly, I thought that you might be interested in the truth for a
change. I should have known better.
>>> then St.
>>>    Germain and the tetragrammaton,
>
>> The Count of St. Germain was an 18th Century occultist from
>> Transylvania who had nothing to do with the tetragrammaton that is
>> found over 6000 times in the Hebrew Masoretic text of the Tanakh.
>    Still, the stories persist,
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Re: David, on the issue of Simon Magus....         


Author: Rod
Date: May 14, 2008 19:39

Here Too wrote:
> On May 14, 2:53 pm, Rod att.net> wrote:
>
>> Thats the very thing that I've said all along about your trolling
>> and forging of posts, the problem is that you won't stop making
>> a general mess of the bandwidth with your posts.
>
> I'm not a troll and I have never once forged a post in Usenet. As far
> as the bandwidth is concerned - I couldn't care less.
>
>>> The Chaldeans were from Babylon (you know, Iraq?) and Gregorian chants
>>> originated with Egyptian Christian monks.
>> And I care because ???
>
> Foolishly, I thought that you might be interested in the truth for a
> change. I should have known better.
>
>>>> then St.
>>>> Germain and the tetragrammaton,
>>> The Count of St. Germain was an 18th Century occultist from ...
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