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Why Clothing Optional Beaches Are Better

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:37:17 PDT

Clothing optional beaches are better because you can go skinny dipping
and not get tan lines. These two reasons make clothing optional
beaches infinitely better. Skinny dipping is way better than wearing
a swimsuit and you look way better without tan lines. You have an
unalienable right to choose to wear what you want to wear and this
includes wearing nothing.

Given that people are highly likely to want to wear nothing at a beach
or anytime when swimming, and based on this right to choose to wear
whatever you want to wear, we should have more clothing optional
beaches and swimming areas everywhere in the world.

Going naked is also not a gay thing. You may see a naked man at a
nude beach, but he's more likely heterosexual than homosexual.

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Naffers Nederlandse agenten en broodroof..

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:34:21 PDT

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:29 GMT Ronin wrote:

>>>>> Je draaft door en je generaliseert.

>>>> Klopt, komt wel 'ns vaker voor. Ben lekker in de binnenstad geweest, heb
>>>> een blouse gekocht en is weer goed. :o]

>>> Vrouwen dragen blouses. Mannen overhemden. Oh well..

>> Zat net te denken.. Dat 'Homo!' van die naffers op straat.. zou dat misschien
>> wervend zijn bedoeld?

> Ik bedoel dus, dat de agressie die er op volgt misschien te wijten is aan de
> gedachte: "Shit, weer nix te verdienen.." Ik heb me serieus afgevraagd waarom
> groepen jongens zich 's avonds ophouden op bepaalde plaatsen. Ik denk dat 'k
> het nu wel weet.. ;-)

Dus..

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Re: Wij hebben dus een GROOT probleem

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:48:26 PDT

theo1610 1hotmeel.com> wrote in
news:hnl7d4db0j2advauqm169dr57roifpqpd2@4ax.com:

> EenVandaag
>
> Balkelende: De waarheid doet mogelijk mensen radicaliseren
> en mag daarom niet genoemd worden.
>
> Tja.........???

NewSpeak avant la lettre.

Wel leuk overigens als precedent andersom, in contacten met de overheid.

"Natuurlijk gaf ik u de verkeerde gegevens, u zou anders toch maar
radicaliseren."

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand

[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]

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Re: => PROOF: Most Americans Are Ignorant Imbeciles <= morons deserve to suffer !

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:43:16 PDT

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Thursday, Sep. 18, 2008
> Guardian Angels Are Here, Say Most Americans
> By David Van Biema
>
> More than half of all Americans believe they have been helped by a
> guardian angel in the course of their lives, according to a new poll
> by the Baylor University Institute for Studies of Religion. In a poll
> of 1700 respondents, 55%% answered affirmatively to the statement, "I
> was protected from harm by a guardian angel." The responses defied
> standard class and denominational assumptions about religious belief;
> the majority held up regardless of denomination, region or education
> - though the figure was a little lower (37%%) among respondents
> earning more than $150,000 a year.
> The guardian angel encounter figures were "the big shocker" in the
> report, says Christopher Bader, director of the Baylor survey that
> covered a range of religious issues, parts of which are being
> released Thursday in a book titled What Americans Really Believe. In
> the case of angels, however, the question is a little stronger than
> just belief. Says Bader, "If you ask whether people believe in
> guardian angels, a lot of people will say, 'sure.' But this is
> different. It's experiential. It means that lots of Americans are
> having these lived supernatural experiences."
> Sociologists may need further research to determine how broadly the
> data should be interpreted. The Baylor study tested other statements
> that might indicate a similar belief in the supernatural intruding
> into everyday personal experience - "I heard the voice of God
> speaking to me"; and "I received a miraculous physical healing." But
> far fewer people claimed to have had those experiences. This raises
> the possibility that guardian angels, which famously support an
> industry of sentimental accessories, are just so darned attractive
> that they exist in a charmed belief niche of their own.
> But other factors may be in play. On one end of the spectrum of
> American religion are the analytical churches, on both the right and
> the left theologically and politically, which are primarily concerned
> with establishing Biblical principles to live by - and are suspicious
> of any modern-day irruption of the supernatural into religious life.
> Their miracles all took place in the Bible. At the opposite end of
> the spectrum are the more experiential churches, like many
> African-American denominations and those in the Pentecostal movement,
> that lay heavy emphasis on the workings of the Holy Spirit, where the
> supernatural, through gifts like healing, prophesying and speaking in
> tongues, makes regular visits in the pews. In the middle are
> sacramental faiths like Roman Catholicism, where the supernatural has
> a regular place on the altar (after all, the Eucharist is said to be
> the literal body and blood of Christ) but one that occurs only within
> the restrictions of very specific ritual.
> What's interesting about the Baylor findings on guardian angel
> experiences is that they cross all boundaries. They have scriptural
> writ (in Psalm 91 and elsewhere). They are clearly experiential. And
> guardian angels are a prominent part of Catholic belief that happens
> to float freely outside of a sacrament. The cross-spectrum legitimacy
> of the notion of angelic interventions may free Americans to engage
> in the kind of folk faith that is part of almost any religious system
> but is not always officially acknowledged.
> Randall Balmer, chairman of the religion department at New York's
> Barnard College, says that the Baylor angel figures are one in a
> periodic series of indications that "Americans live in an enchanted
> world," and engage in a kind of casual mysticism independent of
> established religious ritual, doctrine or theology. "There is," he
> says, a "much broader uncharted range of religious experience among
> the populace than we expect." Just possibly, Baylor has begun to
> chart it.

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Toename van antisemitisme en islamofobie in Europa

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:12:58 PDT

Antisemitisme neemt toe. Gezien de cijfers ligt dat niet alleen aan de
Islam. In Spanje is bijna de helft antisemiet, maar goed, Spanje heeft
natuurlijk een reputatie hoog te houden. Al onder de Visigoten werden
joden daar vervolgd en na de reconquista in 1492 werden alle joden er
uitgegooid. Ook het feit dat Polen en Rusland veel antisemieten tellen
hoeft niet te verbazen. Deze landen hebben ook een lange traditie op dat
gebied. In duitsland, Engeland en Frankrijk ligt het percentage lager.

Volgens het onderzoek is er ook een verband tussen antisemitisme en
islamofobie.
"Mensen die antisemitische gevoelens koesteren, nemen vaak ook een
vijandige houding aan ten aanzien van moslims, zo blijkt uit de
gegevens. Vooral bij de oudere generatie en bij mensen van de lagere
sociale klassen leven veel vooroordelen. ?Mensen van boven de 50 en met
een lage opleiding zijn evident meer bevooroordeeld?, aldus het
onderzoek."

Zie
http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1361629/Toename+van+antisemitisme+en+islamofobie+in...

--
grtz, Niek

Het is beter rijk en gezond te zijn, dan arm en ziek.
(Dagobert Duck)

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the Netherlands-Kenya September 2008 Travel Pictures Country next to Country

Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:40:47 PDT

Hi,

This the Netherlands-Kenya website displays several pages each one
containing two comparative (similar, contrastive, ...) photos. Let
your thoughts flow freely and enjoy:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_7_en/public_transport_in_the_net...
Click the "-->"-button on the page opened for the following new
pictures.

Best regards, BoBi

Annex: overview of the new photos:

Public transport with a Connexxion boat and Public transport with
matatus:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_7_en/public_transport_in_the_net...
the Dutch Ferry service Velsen and The Kenyan Ferry service Likoni:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_7_en/a_dutch_ferry_and_a_kenyan_ferry...
The Dutch lingerie Advertising Panel sapph and the Kenyan Tusker beer
Advertising Panel:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_7_en/the_dutch_lingerie_advertis...
a Dutch Tentacle tree and a Kenyan Baobab:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_7_en/a_dutch_tentacle_tree_and_a_kenyan_baobab...
a Dutch Landscape and a Kenyan Landscape:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_8_en/a_dutch_landscape_2_and_a_kenyan_landscape_2...
a Dutch Flower with an Insect and a Kenyan pink Flower with insects:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_8_en/a_dutch_flower_with_an_inse...
Dutch Housing blocks Prinsenbos and Kenyan Housing blocks:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_8_en/dutch_housing_blocks_and_kenyan_housing_blocks...
Dutch mobile toilets and a Kenyan Toilet:
http://www.dongo.org/the_netherlands-kenya/list_8_en/dutch_toilets_and_a_kenyan_toilet...

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Re: checkgroups - us.*

Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:08:04 PDT

"Adam H. Kerman" chinet.com> schreef in bericht news:h-6dnXiOtLQJhEzVnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@comcast.com...
> What's Dutch for "fucking up"?

verklooien

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Huwelijk van Islamitische vrouwen met niet-Islamitische mannen: Een positief perspectief

Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:02:17 PDT

Marriage of Muslim Women with Non-Muslim Men: A Positive Perspective

In many romances in Europe now, one person is Muslim, and the other is
by heritage a Christian or a Jew. The Qur'an says that a Muslim male
may take a Christian or Jewish wife, though does not speak about a
Muslim woman wishing to marry a Christian or Jewish man. This has been
historically controversial, while some learned Muslim voices today
take a positive view.

This article has been first published on Indymedia:

http://www.indymedia.be/en/node/29241

http://mytinyurl.net/931f5b

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Marriage of Muslim Women with Non-Muslim Men: A Positive Perspective

Huwelijk van Islamitische vrouwen met niet-Islamitische mannen: Een
positief perspectief

Le mariage de femmes Musulmanes avec les non-Musulmans: Une
perspective positive

by Dan Hajidah

Today's Europe is increasingly Muslim. In the first few centuries of
Islam, Islam quickly spread in all three continents which then formed
the known world, Asia, Africa and Europe. Europe was a home to Muslims
very shortly after the time of the Prophet (pbuh), and it is
increasingly a home to Muslims today.

It is not only because of Muslims moving to Europe in increasing
numbers, that the Islamic presence is growing here. And it is not only
because of Muslim families having children. It is also true now, that
many people in Europe are converting to Islam, finding their spiritual
home in the Muslim community, via one path or another.

And Europeans are often coming to Islam quite on their own, without
any urging or proselytising by the Muslims whom they know. Sometimes
it is enough to simply feel the faith of other Muslims, or to follow
the many threads of Islamic life that have always existed in Europe
from the very earliest days of the faith.

The wonderful journalist Eric Walberg, of Al-Ahram Weekly, has written
a quite nice historical survey, about European cultural figures who
have found their way to the peace of Islam at various times over the
last few hundred years. This lovely essay, "Finding the inner Muslim
prince", dates from Ramadan in 2007:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/864/cu6.htm

One of the contemporary Muslim converts mentioned by Walberg, is of
course the famous Yusuf Islam, at times better known by members of the
'hippie generation' under his previous name, Cat Stevens:

http://www.yusufislam.org.uk/

Among many people in Europe with whom I have spoken, the fact that Cat
Stevens became a Muslim, was their first or most notable example of
someone in the West converting to Islam. - I do like his old music
that you can hear on YouTube, I feel the spiritual soul there in him.

But of course many people becoming Muslim, are not so famous as Cat
Stevens. In many cases they are simply and quietly, as ordinary good
people, joining the Muslim faith, adhering themselves gently but
firmly to the life of daily prayer and to their local Muslim
community.

Sometimes the path to Islam is hand-in-hand with the development of a
romantic relationship. One person converts to Islam, as part of the
process of falling in love with, and marrying a Muslim.

But there is something else as well, very significant and happening
quite a lot around me, though perhaps not yet talked about enough. -
There are many romances and marriages where one person is Muslim, and
the other is by heritage a Christian or a Jew, and that party does not
convert to Islam before marriage.

This is happening a lot, actually, in Europe, and around the world, a
natural result of Muslims living in multi-religious societies, such as
Europe is today.

Marriage between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, raises some questions for
Islamic practice and understanding. One in particular that I want to
address here, is the distinctive situation, of a Muslim woman falling
in love with a Christian or Jewish man, and wishing to marry that
person. This has been controversial in Islam, but I think that the
answer here may be as beautiful as I think Islam itself is beautiful.

The specifically controversial case, is where the woman is Muslim, and
the man is Christian or Jewish. The precisely reverse case, where the
man is Muslim and the woman is Christian or Jewish, is actually quite
clear under Islamic law, and is covered by the holy Qur'an itself. A
Muslim man may indeed clearly marry a Jewish or Christian wife, of
course with due respect for the faith in the marriage covenant.

According to Islam, the Jews and the Christians are also 'People of
the Book', people of the same religious heritage who share some of the
same holy writings, sharing spiritual lineage in descent from the
Prophet known in the West as Abraham (pbuh) of the Bible.

It makes me laugh sometimes, in speaking to people so un-informed or
misled about Islam, that they do not realise that Islam views Judaism
and Christianity as part of its own family. People often do not know
that Islam also honours the Prophets of ancient Israel as its own, and
not only Jesus (pbuh), but even his mother Mary (pbuh) - using the
common Western spellings of their honoured names here.

For sincere prayerful Muslims living with sincere prayerful
Christians, and with sincere prayerful Jews, I do not think there is
any great conflict that needs to exist in this world. It is our role
and nature and destiny to live in peace with one another. We share a
heritage, and it is only evil forces that seek to put us into conflict
and so-called 'clash of civilisations' nonsense.

The three Abrahamic faiths have lived together very closely over many
centuries, and we have borne much fruit when living together in peace,
as at times in the East of Europe, under the Ottomans, and in many
other locales and places.

And the fruit is seen not just on the larger political and social
scale, but also in marriages in our intimate personal lives. Over the
centuries, a Muslim has often taken a Christian or Jew for a spouse,
and lived together happily and spiritually, and the marriage has
worked to the benefit of faith. It has been this way for centuries,
from the earliest days of Islam.

It is specifically permitted in the Qur'an that a Muslim man, may take
a Christian or Jewish wife. As long as she is a Person of the Book, a
member of the monotheistic faith deriving from the ancient prophets of
Palestine, the marriage is specifically permitted.

There is controversy, though, about the reverse-gender case, given
that the Qur'an does not mention the marriage of a Muslim woman with a
Christian or Jewish male, even though he be a Person of the Book.

And over the centuries, there is some scholarly opinion that, even
though the Qur'an did not explicitly prohibit such a marriage, such a
marriage was nonetheless to be avoided. - Perhaps because, in past
eras, it was commonly thought that the male's greater relative power
in society, and his authority in the home, might be used to sway the
so-called 'weaker' Islamic wife away from the faith, if she were to
marry a Christian or a Jew.

Today of course, in the modern world, we are much more used to
respecting the strength and independence and power of women, who have
in some cases even been the leaders of great national political
movements.

And though there is a common view among Muslims that only the Muslim
male has the freedom to enter into an Islamic marriage with a
Christian or Jewish woman, it is important to note that there are
indeed very serious and learned Islamic voices with exactly the
opposite view.

I do not write here as someone who claims religious authority or
leadership. I write more simply, as a Muslim journalist, to make note
of the fact that there is indeed an alternate view within learned
Islam, very respectful and positive about the case of the marriage of
a Muslim woman with a Jewish or Christian man.

Here are some key texts.

In 1994 - the pre-internet era, now seeming as if a century ago! -
there was a discussion of this topic in the January 1994 issue of a
'Voice of Islam' newsletter from the Islamic Society of the Washington
Area. This discussion has now been copied online, and though the
discussion takes a critical view, the discussion contains the
following paragraph, very helpful, I think:

« Some jurists opine that if a non-Muslim person of the book (male) is
of such a character etc., that we can be sure that he will not enforce
the wife to accept his religion, that conversely the woman is of such
fortitude that she will not be swayed by falsehood, and that she makes
it a part of the marriage contract that she will in no way be forced
to accept a religion other than Islam, that the children will be
brought up according to her beliefs, and that no negative image of
Islam will be presented to her etc., then such a contract is
allowable. »

http://www.irfi.org/questions_answers/muslim_men_can_marry_nonmuslim.htm

In other words, from the above, the key factor is the inner spiritual
strength of the Muslim woman. And a Muslim woman can be very strong
indeed. Not only strong, but in today's era and especially in Europe,
it is easier than ever before, for Muslim women to have access to a
community of support to nourish her own strength.

On this view, if the Muslim woman can genuinely know she is strong
enough in her faith that she knows it will be preserved amid her love
and devotion to her spouse, then the marriage can be considered as
permitted.

And not just permitted - this 'mixed marriage' may even be an
instrument by which, in'sh'Allah, the faith can be increasingly
honoured and respected and transmitted to others. Love, and being a
role model and example, are such beautifully powerful ways to spread
faith and the truth.

Another voice, Moiz Amjad, a student of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, speaks as
follows in response to a query on this very same topic:

« In one of my previous answers to a similar question, I had pointed
out that a) the Qur’an has expressly mentioned the prohibition of
marriage between a Muslim man/woman with a polytheist person; b) As
far as the marriage between a Muslim man/woman and a Christian or a
Jewish person is concerned, the Qur’an has expressly allowed marriage
between a Muslim man and a Jewish/Christian woman but has not given
any express directives regarding marriage between a Muslim woman and a
Jewish/Christian man. This silence of the Qur’an regarding marriage
between a Muslim woman and a Christian/Jewish man, has generally been
construed as a disapproval of the Qur’an regarding the particular
issue. However, because of the silence of the Qur’an in the related
issue, marriage between a Muslim woman and a Jewish/Christian man
cannot be termed as prohibited by the Shari`ah. In my opinion,
prohibition of a certain matter in the Shari`ah, requires express
directives to the effect.

In view of the above explanation, it should be obvious that the
ultimate decision regarding such a marriage (between a Muslim woman
and a Christian/Jewish man) is left to the individual. »

http://www.understanding-islam.com/rs/s-192.htm

Perhaps most personally, Shaykh Khaled Abu el Fadl, discussing this
matter, writes as follows, speaking of the prospective Muslim bride:

« ... she must always remember that only God knows best; that she
should reflect on the matter as hard as she can; then she should pray
and plead for guidance from God; and then ultimately she must do what
her conscience dictates. »

http://www.scholarofthehouse.org/oninma.html

So one can see that learned sources on this issue, have an open mind
as to what is taking place in reality in the communities of Europe,
where marriages between Muslim women and Christian or Jewish men -
yes, they do happen! - are working out wonderfully well.

It may serve the interests of Islam, and the honour and growth of the
faith, if couples like this can see their love and marriage as truly a
religious marriage, embraced by the wide Muslim and religious
communities.

It may indeed be a lifelong wonder and joy and divine gift, in these
marriages where one party does not convert, but where the two people,
one of them Muslim whether man or woman, where the two people remain a
respectful and loving couple in their respective faiths.

- Dan Hajidah

Abdan 'Dan' Hajidah can be reached at: dh-news@europe.com

or via his blog at:http://european-muslim.skyrock.com/

A list of Dan's journalism in his own name is at: http://euromuslim.i-was-in-paris.com/

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[knipplak] Grootste klagers het minst betrokken

Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:54:51 PDT

[geknipplakt zonder verder commentaar, ben het er wel mee eens]

AMSTERDAM - De burgers die het hardst klagen over de politiek, zijn
zelf het minst maatschappelijk betrokken. Ze gaan minder vaak stemmen,
doen minder vrijwilligerswerk en hebben minder sociale contacten dan de
gemiddelde burger.

Dat blijkt uit een onderzoek naar de "buitenstaanders" van
onderzoeksbureau Motivaction. Volgens de Maatschappelijke Barometer van
Motivaction en tv-programma Netwerk is de tevredenheid over overheid en
politiek het afgelopen jaar verder gedaald. Op een schaal van 1 tot 100
daalde de tevredenheid over de overheid van 46 in augustus 2007 naar 39
in 2008.

In diezelfde periode daalde de tevredenheid over de politiek van 40 naar
36.

Volgens Motivaction bestaat 32 procent van de bevolking uit
"buitenstaanders", die de harde kern van de politieke onvrede vormen. De
buitenstaanders zijn in belangrijke mate het product van de ontzuiling.
Zij missen "de buffer van maatschappelijk vertrouwen", die zo kenmerkend
is voor de traditionele burgerij, gepersonifieerd in de CDA-stemmer die
lid is van een kerk en aan vrijwilligerswerk doet.

De buitenstaanders zijn geen lid van kerken, partijen, vakbonden of
andere organisaties. Ze hechten veel waarde aan familie en gezin, maar
hebben moeite om zich te identificeren met een bredere buitenwereld. Ze
scoren laag op waarden als empathie, tolerantie, gemeenschapszin of
aandacht voor het milieu. Ze zijn hedonistisch en materialistisch
ingesteld, hebben moeite met de complexiteit van de moderne samenleving
en verlangen naar law and order.

"Deze burgers kijken vooral naar de commerciële televisie. Dat
beïnvloedt de manier waarop zij tegen politiek aan kijken. Zij stellen
zich op als consumenten wier behoeften direct door de politiek bevredigd
moeten worden", zegt Martijn Lampert, onderzoeker bij Motivaction.

Samen met Netwerk maakte Motivaction een "begroting van het volk".
"Gemiddeld wilde het volk de begroting met 20 procent laten stijgen.
Omdat de meeste mensen niet meer belasting willen betalen, zou daardoor
de staatsschuld verder moeten stijgen", zegt Lampert. "Veel burgers
vragen de politiek dingen die zij nooit kan waarmaken. Politici zouden
moeten zeggen: we moeten prioriteiten stellen, we kunnen niet zo maar
alles oplossen. Daar zijn de huidige politici niet erg sterk in. Ze
proberen vooral naar het volk te luisteren door te zeggen: komt u maar
naar ons toe met uw problemen."

Op hun beurt zijn politici gewend de klagende burgers als verwend te
beschouwen. "Dat is ook niet terecht, want het gaat vaak om mensen die
moeite hebben met de complexiteit van de samenleving", zegt Lampert. Ze
voelen zich bedreigd door globalisering en immigratie, ook omdat zij
vaker in gemengde wijken wonen.

De wederkerigheid tussen burger en politiek is volkomen zoek, aldus
Lampert. Veel burgers voelen zich niet vertegenwoordigd door de
politiek, maar verwachten wel dat politici complexe maatschappelijke
problemen razendsnel oplossen.

En politici zijn geneigd om burgers naar de mond te praten, waardoor de
verwachtingen nog verder worden opgeschroefd. Lampert: "Dat kan alleen
maar tot teleurstellingen leiden."

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1067387.ece/Grootste_klagers_het_mins...

--
grtz, Niek

Het is beter rijk en gezond te zijn, dan arm en ziek.
(Dagobert Duck)

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net tijdens early morning

Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:40:53 PDT

training voor de marathon van Eindhoven okt a.s., kwam ik onze
{tinw}eindhovense burgervader
tegen, ik begon xpres wat langzamer
te joggen, en maakte een algemeen
praatje, en merkte al meteen dat
ie ergens mee zat of iets van dien
aard...ik zeg,Hey Rob [ik mag Rob
zeggen tegen meneer van Gijzel] what's up, dude, terwijl we de high 5
maakte als teken van, vertel t maar
de celibate is OK, en alle nieuws is
safe and sound, wat niet buiten de
burokamer van de burgemeester hoort te gaan

nou gewaardeerde vriend celibate,
sprak van Gijzel...ik heb vernomen
in de wandelgangen dat 't niet zo goed gaat met de economie, en dat
't een beetje 'zoek dat maar uit in je
eigen land' ... i.p.v. de EURO broeders onder mekaar
Afijn sprak Rob, nu wil die Christenunie een alochtonenbelasting
invoeren, menswaardig natuurlijk
niet van deze tijd en onmenselijk, maar Rita laat er ook zo maar 27.000
Nederlander worden, dus ik dacht
dan moeten ze er ook maar wat voor over hebben

Dus tot de 3e generatie in NL levende Nederlanders met buitenlandse roots,
die gaan een xtra
blauwe envelop krijgen v/d belasting dienst

Rob was inmiddels in wandelmode,
en ik wilde nog 20 km verder hardlopen, dus ik zeg tegen Rob,..
wat denk je?
Waarop hij sprak, er gaat valles vallen in de herfst behalve bladeren,
en t wordt een verhitte winter

waarop ik em nariep, ik verdom t om weer te gaan stemmen, ze zoeken t
maar uit...waarna ie nog schreewde,
ik m'n 6 jaar ook...

de dinsdagprinsesjesdagcolumn

c~

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