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Author: ForecastS.Com
Date: Sep 9, 2008 22:04

Subject: What Price Lehman?

UPDATE: Sept. 9, 2008

Well, the REAL price for which Lehman shares are
indisputably worth NO MORE is now finally OUT:
(LEH closed at $7.79 on Sept. 9, 2008)

NEWS (purpored):
"Lehman's share price drop on Tuesday [Sept. 9, 2008] was precipitated
by a newswire report citing an unnamed Korean government official as
saying that Korea Development Bank, a state-run lender, had decided
not to invest in Lehman.

Korea's financial watchdog later denied the report, but bankers close
to the situation said Lehman was unlikely to clinch a deal to sell a
large stake to KDB before reporting third-quarter results. The two
sides have been at loggerheads over the price to be paid for the
stake, with KDB balking at the valuation demanded by Dick Fuld,
Lehman's chief executive, according to people close to the talks. "

http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto090920081849189481...

Now we know why LEH did not go down to below $11, after
August 22, but instead went up, contrary to the forecast.
REASON: Insiders were buying in expectation of buyout from
foreign big money, from Asia in particular.

The forecast was correct, but of course it could not anticipate
or forecast the secret negotiations for a buy-out of LEH, which
only LEH insiders would know, nor the insider buying that
temporarily and forcibly took the price up from the $14 level
on August 22, 2008. (see below)

This is also a REAL example of how often and how greatly a
buy-out deal can be GROSSLY inflated in price, without the buy
side ever realizing or becoming aware of the cash squander.

This is where ForecastS.Com can make a BIG difference and
help the buy side save HUGE sums.

On Sep 6, 4:01 pm, "ForecastS.Com" gmail.com> wrote:
> CAVEAT:
> Wall Street's rumor mills routinely manipulate
> share prices for gain with "news" plants.
> NEWS (purported)
> TOKYO - September 6, 2008., Japan's largest
> brokerage group, is considering buying a stake
> in investment bank Lehman Brothers.
> Earlier this week, South Korean media reported
> the state-controlled Korea Development Bank has
> made a proposal to acquire 25 percent of Lehman
> for as much as 6 trillion won ($5.3 billion).
> Media reports also mentioned China's CITIC
> Securities or sovereign wealth funds from Abu
> Dhabi and Qatar as possible alternatives to the
> Korean bank. Japan's Mitsubishi UFJ Financial
> Group denied reports that it was considering
> bidding for a stake in Lehman.
> COMMENTARY:
> One great benefit of having precise, reliable
> price forecasts on a stock, besides being able
> to trade it profitably, is to determine how much
> more a prospective investor is over-paying for
> shares in the target company.
> First, take a look, below. The current market
> prices LEH stock as being worth NOT $16.50 (its
> last price), but as $16.50 - $1.49 or about $15.
> Therefore, if a prospective buyer keeps silent
> and simply quietly and secretly plans to buy the
> stock, chances are excellent the shares can be
> had for about $15 in coming days.
> Do not under-estimate the $1.49 in saving per
> share. When you deal in huge quantities, they
> can make a big difference in cost.
> Of course, if the prospective buyer does not know
> better and simply begins to buy at $16.50 without
> letting the price to settle to $15, or foolishly
> pre-announce buying intentions, then it will drive
> up its acquisition cost greatly and unnecessarily.
> FORECASTS ON TICKER SYMBOL: LEH
> SYMBOL, DATE, PRICE, FORECAST, PERCENT
> LEH, 20080905, 16.5000, -1.4900, -9.0
> LEH, 20080904, 15.2900, -0.1376, -0.9
> LEH, 20080903, 17.1100, -1.8786, -11.0
> LEH, 20080902, 15.5500, -1.4564, -9.4
> LEH, 20080829, 16.0600, -2.4000, -14.9
> LEH, 20080828, 15.7100, -2.7370, -17.4
> LEH, 20080827, 14.7000, -1.7557, -11.9
> LEH, 20080826, 14.1000, -2.2748, -16.1
> LEH, 20080825, 13.4700, -2.4893, -18.5
> LEH, 20080822, 14.2900, -3.5616, -24.9
> LEH, 20080821, 13.6800, -0.7532, -5.5
> LEH, 20080820, 13.6300, 0.6737, 4.9
> LEH, 20080819, 12.6500, 1.5576, 12.3
> LEH, 20080818, 15.1200, -0.0263, -0.2
> LEH, 20080815, 16.2500, -0.6932, -4.3
> LEH, 20080814, 16.4500, 0.6487, 3.9
> LEH, 20080813, 15.6400, 1.2549, 8.0
> LEH, 20080812, 16.2900, 0.3874, 2.4
> LEH, 20080811, 18.3100, 0.6661, 3.6
> LEH, 20080808, 18.5800, 0.5048, 2.7
> LEH, 20080807, 17.5200, -0.4597, -2.6
> LEH, 20080806, 19.9100, -1.7726, -8.9
> LEH, 20080805, 19.9600, -3.0990, -15.5
> LEH, 20080804, 17.9000, -0.7259, -4.1
> LEH, 20080801, 18.6500, -2.3537, -12.6
> LEH, 20080731, 17.1000, -2.5007, -14.6
> LEH, 20080730, 18.0500, -1.6920, -9.4
> Forecasts are for your informational purposes only.
> Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
> Forecasts are not trading advice or recommendations.
> Always do your own stock research and due diligence.
> Be sure to consult qualified investment professionals.
> Copyright(C) 2008 by ForecastS.Com
> Source & website: http://ForecastS.Com
> All rights reserved worldwide.
> ForecastS/Forecasts is a trademark of ForecastS.Com
> *****************************************************
> **\\ GUIDE TO INTERPRETATION OF FORECAST RESULTS //**
> GENERAL PRINCIPLE:
> The most important general principle to remember is
> that investing and trading involve mostly a patience
> to wait for good opportunities to occur and then take
> advantage of them. Do nothing until an opportunity
> presents itself. Most of us do not have the size in
> terms of money and stock holdings that big financial
> institutions do. The latter can indeed create sharp
> price changes merely by buying and selling a large
> quantity of stock. After such buying or selling is
> done, a more unbalanced situation (which may or may
> not be sufficient for sell or buy signal) is created.
> Our forecasts will then attempt to advise you if the
> imbalance is more or less bullish or bearish, so you
> can decide whether to act using the criteria you set,
> as described below.
> To illustrate how to interpret the data, we'll use
> the actual price forecasts for the stock BlackStone
> Group, ticker: BX, shown below:
> SYMBOL, DATE, PRICE, FORECAST, PERCENT
> BX, 20080528, 18.6600, 0.5215, 2.8
> First, you'll notice that there are five(5) columns
> as shown above.
> As the column headings indicate, the first column
> is the ticker symbol (SYMBOL), the next column is
> the date (DATE), the third column is the last price
> (PRICE), the fourth column is the forecasted
> magnitude of future, near-term, price movement
> (FORECAST) and the last column (PERCENT) is the
> forecasted magnitude of future price movement but
> expressed as a percentage (PERCENT) of the closing
> price.
> It should be obvious that the most important
> columns to pay attention to are the FORECAST and
> the PERCENTAGE columns, which we'll discuss in more
> detail below.
> Note that the DATE column is expressed as YYYYMMDD,
> which corresponds to the date of the forecast. For
> example 20080528 would represent the year 2008, the
> month 05 (i.e. May) and the date of month 28. So
> 20080528 is May 28, 2008. Forecasts are typically
> made on the night of the date shown, typically
> several hours after the stock market has closed,
> and before mid-night, in time for the next day's
> trading.
> Let's take a look at the earlier-shown data again:
> SYMBOL, DATE, PRICE, FORECAST, PERCENT
> BX, 20080528, 18.6600, 0.5215, 2.8
> Using the information we just provided, you can see
> that the stock ticker SYMBOL is BX, the DATE of
> price forecast was 20080528 or May 28, 2008. The
> PRICE was the closing price of $18.6600 (this may
> or may not reflect after-hours price) for May 28,
> 2008, the unit of price being U.S. dollar. This is
> then followed by 0.5215 (the unit again being U.S.
> dollar) which means that the stock BX is forecasted
> to likely move up by $0.5215 in the near term.
> The time frame for the fulfillment of the
> forecasted future price movement is typically
> several days, occasionally more than one or two
> weeks, or even longer. The last column shows that
> the expected price movement of $0.5215 is
> equivalent to an upside movement of 2.8%%:
> i.e. PERCENT = 100 X (FORECAST / PRICE) = 2.8
> The value of FORECAST relates to, and may be viewed
> as a measure of, the possible support or resistance
> that exists at the corresponding PRICE level, with
> a positive number suggesting potential support and
> a negative number suggesting resistance. Therefore,
> one should always have a stock's bar or candlestick
> price chart available for convenient consultation
> and corroboration with its FORECAST and PERCENT
> readings.
> At important price turning points, such as a price
> top or price bottom, the FORECAST numbers typically
> become highly negative or highly positive, to alert
> you to the strength of the resistance or support,
> respectively. Not only that, the FORECAST numbers
> also indicate the amount of price movement that is
> likely if the resistance or support holds.
> Where the FORECAST shows a high negative number, it
> hints that the direction of forecasted future price
> movement is down, with its magnitude indicated by
> the value of the negative number, once the stock
> fails to break above the current resistance. The
> PERCENT figure will also be negative, to indicate
> the downward direction.
> Conversely, if the FORECAST shows a positive number,
> as is the case for BX on May 28, 2008, it hints the
> forecasted future price movement is positive, i.e.
> up, with the magnitude of movement indicated by the
> value of the positive number. In this case, the
> PERCENT figure will be positive, to reflect upward
> direction.
> For better trading results, one should review past
> FORECAST values for the same stock, and these are
> typically provided, going back several months. A
> quick review of past forecasts provides a better
> grasp of the significance of the latest, current
> forecast. The reason is that by simply looking at
> past forecasts, one can quickly see where the past
> short-term price tops and bottoms were and their
> corresponding past forecast readings (i.e. FORECAST
> and PERCENT values) at those important junctures.
> The current, latest FORECAST and PERCENT can then
> be mentally compared to those past extreme values
> to see if the current readings are at or near those
> past extremes. If not, one may choose to wait a
> while, in case the readings becomes more extreme in
> the coming days, before taking action. Knowing
> whether to wait will help avoid acting too soon,
> and this tends to improve trading performance while
> reducing risk.
> Now, let's take a look at the past forecasts for BX
> (shown below):
> SYMBOL, DATE, PRICE, FORECAST, PERCENT
> BX, 20080528, 18.6600, 0.5215, 2.8
> BX, 20080527, 18.9100, 0.4243, 2.2
> BX, 20080523, 18.5400, 1.4067, 7.6
> BX, 20080522, 19.1600, 0.7023, 3.7
> BX, 20080521, 19.3300, 0.4556, 2.4
> BX, 20080520, 20.5900, 0.1384, 0.7
> BX, 20080519, 20.2300, -0.3795, -1.9
> BX, 20080516, 20.0200, -0.5328, -2.7
> BX, 20080515, 20.6500, -0.9681, -4.7
> BX, 20080514, 19.5000, -0.1523, -0.8
> BX, 20080513, 19.0500, -0.1559, -0.8
> BX, 20080512, 18.9700, 0.2627, 1.4
> BX, 20080509, 19.2700, 0.1482, 0.8
> BX, 20080508, 18.8000, 0.5186, 2.8
> BX, 20080507, 19.3500, 0.6359, 3.3
> BX, 20080506, 19.4700, -0.0480, -0.2
> BX, 20080505, 19.5600, -0.6820, -3.5
> BX, 20080502, 20.2600, -0.9183, -4.5
> BX, 20080501, 19.4500, -0.3195, -1.6
> BX, 20080430, 18.6000, 0.3533, 1.9
> BX, 20080429, 18.8100, -0.1200, -0.6
> BX, 20080428, 18.9500, -0.2970, -1.6
> BX, 20080425, 19.1800, -0.2541, -1.3
> BX, 20080424, 18.5000, 0.0192, 0.1
> BX, 20080423, 18.3300, 0.3143, 1.7
> BX, 20080422, 18.6200, -0.1133, -0.6
> BX, 20080421, 18.6800, -0.6790, -3.6
> BX, 20080418, 19.0100, -1.0060, -5.3
> BX, 20080417, 18.6800, -0.8970, -4.8
> BX, 20080416, 17.7000, 0.0543, 0.3
> BX, 20080415, 17.3300, 0.5899, 3.4
> BX, 20080414, 17.2016, 0.8348, 4.9
> BX, 20080411, 17.7500, 0.5165, 2.9
> A quick glance of the above forecast history for BX
> shows that in the past when the PERCENT is close to
> or greater than 5%% or the FORECAST more positive
> than $0.80, it suggests prices are bottoming and a
> future price rise may be imminent.
> On the other hand, if the PERCENT is -4.5%% or more
> negative, or the FORECAST is about -$0.90 or even
> more negative, then it indicates prices are likely
> peaking, and a price drop could be imminent.
> Note that each stock has its own peculiarities as
> to what FORECAST and PERCENT readings are extreme.
> Extreme FORECAST or PERCENT readings for one stock
> may often be too extreme, or not extreme enough, if
> applied to another stock. Therefore, the history
> of past forecasts for a particular stock should be
> reviewed on its own, independent of other stocks.
> Even the same stock may change over time as to what
> constitute extreme readings for its FORECAST and
> PERCENT. It is advisable to review the most recent
> forecasts first and then go back to older forecasts,
> to detect any gradual changes in extreme values.
> Such a historic forecast review takes only a few
> seconds, but it will save a lot of wondering and
> guessing, and will very likely improve your trading
> decision-making and performance. Forecast history
> review will help make your stock timing a lot more
> accurate and profitable.
> Some people, on first impression, might think the
> forecast is for the very next day. It is not so.
> Most of the time, a FORECAST may take two or many
> more days to fulfill.
> Occasionally, it only takes just one or two days to
> reach the price change forecasted. It really
> depends on the particular stock and its special
> situation.
> There are times the forecasts won't be right, or
> won't be realized. Perfection is not possible.
> This is no different from real life situations of
> support and resistance levels that can fail. For
> example, a stock may be at a strong support level
> as shown by its very positive FORECAST and PERCENT
> readings. However, in a strongly down-trending
> market, or where there is persistent selling, even
> a strong support level may wear off. Should this
> be happening, the FORECAST and PERCENT readings
> will usually warn you in advance of such potential
> failure of support with less positive readings, as
> price stays the same or drops.
> . Conversely, a stock may be at a strong resistance
> level, as shown by its very negative FORECAST and
> PERCENT readings. However, in a strongly bullish
> broad market, or where there is persistent buying,
> even a strong price resistance may fail to stop a
> price break-out. In such cases, the FORECAST and
> PERCENT readings will usually warn you in advance
> of such potential price break-out, or failure of
> resistance level, with less negative readings, as
> price stays the same or rises. This is why it is
> important to pay attention not just to the degree
> of extremeness of the FORECAST and PERCENT values,
> but also to their subtle changes relative to the
> price changes. If you do so, you'll rarely have
> any surprises.
> Thus, it is usually advisable to wait for extreme
> readings, even though that, by itself, is not a
> guarantee of profit. Such patient approach, with
> a willingness to wait, and being alert to extreme
> FORECAST and PERCENT readings, and their subtle
> changes, is usually much safer and more rewarding
> in the long run. This is especially important to
> beginners or those who have only a modest amount
> of risk capital, and therefore limited ability to
> average down (when long), or up (when short).
> Unless one is extremely experienced and/or has a
> very large portfolio, it is usually not advisable
> to trade on minor or modest FORECAST and PERCENT
> readings, as these typically indicate rather weak
> or insignificant price levels of weak resistance
> (if negative) or support (if positive). That is
> not to say that mild or moderate FORECAST and
> PERCENT readings are always not profitable or
> worthwhile, because they can be, especially for
> very short-term players, such as day-traders.
> Should one decide to trade even on weak FORECAST
> and PERCENT readings, on should definitely limit
> his/her risk by committing much less risk capital
> than when the readings are near the extremes.
> As mentioned earlier, important price tops and
> bottoms usually, but not always, correspond to
> extreme negative and positive readings.
> Some stocks are "better behaved" than others, or
> "better behaved" at one time than another. If you
> find a stock behaving poorly with respect to the
> price forecasts, then do not trade it, or at least
> avoid it, but find another stock that is "better
> behaved". The reasons for "poor behavior" can be
> many and varied. One is strong herd behavior in a
> particular stock where the high emotion and crowd
> conformity happen to be dominant, which can lead to
> either excessive optimism or pessimism at or near
> price tops or bottoms, leading to extreme swings.
> Another possibility is the relative low volume of
> trading in some stocks that can easily exaggerate
> trader or investor excesses. The FORECAST and
> PERCENT readings do adjust even for such cases.
> However, how successful are such adjustment efforts
> will vary with each stock.
> It is usually not advisable to trade against the
> forecasts, especially when the FORECAST and PERCENT
> readings are strong, i.e. at or near their extremes.
> In other words, very bullish readings hint that one
> should probably cover short, reduce or close out
> other bearish positions such as puts, and go long.
> Conversely, for very negative FORECAST and PERCENT
> readings, one should consider selling long, cutting
> or closing out bullish positions such as naked puts,
> and probably planning on opening short positions.
> At all times, one should be mindful that even very
> strong support and resistance price levels can fail
> to hold when there is strong and persistent selling
> or buying. Extremely positive or negative FORECAST
> and PERCENT readings merely indicate strong support
> or resistance, and the likely future price movement
> IF said support or resistance holds firm.
> It is important that only a small portion of risk
> capital allocated to a particular stock situation
> be committed at a time, and one should be prepared
> to do scale trading. This ensures that potential
> profit opportunity (whether bullish or bearish) is
> not missed, yet retains the flexibility and ability
> to act effectively to counter and take advantage of
> any unexpected (including adverse) developments.
> With reliable and precise price forecasts available,
> averaging down (for long) and up (for short) may be
> far more sensible and profitable than stop-loss
> techniques, especially when such scale trades are
> done at favorable price junctures, and the correct
> option strategy is used in combination, as needed.

UPDATE: Sept. 9, 2008

Well, the REAL price for which Lehman shares are
indisputably worth NO MORE is now finally OUT:
(LEH closed at $7.79 on Sept. 9, 2008)

NEWS (purpored):
"Lehman's share price drop on Tuesday [Sept. 9, 2008] was precipitated
by a newswire report citing an unnamed Korean government official as
saying that Korea Development Bank, a state-run lender, had decided
not to invest in Lehman.

Korea's financial watchdog later denied the report, but bankers close
to the situation said Lehman was unlikely to clinch a deal to sell a
large stake to KDB before reporting third-quarter results. The two
sides have been at loggerheads over the price to be paid for the
stake, with KDB balking at the valuation demanded by Dick Fuld,
Lehman's chief executive, according to people close to the talks. "

http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto090920081849189481...

Now we know why LEH did not go down to below $11, after
August 22, but instead went up, contrary to the forecast.
REASON: Insiders were buying in expectation of buyout from
foreign big money, from Asia in particular.

The forecast was correct, but of course it could not anticipate
or forecast the secret negotiations for a buy-out of LEH, which
only LEH insiders would know, nor the insider buying that
temporarily and forcibly took the price up from the $14 level
on August 22, 2008.

This is also a REAL example of how often and how greatly a
buy-out deal can be GROSSLY inflated in price, without the buy
side ever realizing or becoming aware of the cash squander.

This is where ForecastS.Com can make a BIG difference and
help the buy side save HUGE sums.
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