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Author: Micky WongMicky Wong Date: Apr 30, 2008 15:17
The Portrait of an Extraordinarily Ugly and Violently Dangerous "Olympic
Host" -- Chinese students in U.S. fight image of their home
－－ Micky's humble opinion : The violent body language the Chinese
students displayed in attacking and harming those who disagree with
China during the torch run in Seoul is the glaring proof that the
current generation of Chinese are not only very ugly, but also extremely
dangerous. --
International Herald Tribune
Chinese students in U.S. fight image of their home
By Shaila Dewan
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
LOS ANGELES: When the time came for the smiling Tibetan monk at the
front of the University of Southern California lecture hall to answer
questions, the Chinese students who packed the audience for the talk
last Tuesday had plenty to lob at their guest:
If Tibet was not part of China, why had the Chinese emperor been the one
to give the Dalai Lama his title? How did the tenets of Buddhism jibe
with the "slavery system" in Tibet before China's modernization efforts?
What about the Dalai Lama's connection to Hitler?
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Author: TobyToby Date: May 1, 2008 05:35
The violence and vehemence that these Chinese students (and non-students)
have been demonstrating overseas give a good idea what might happen at home
if the very real grievances and problems there get out of hand, and is one
of the reasons that the CCP rules with such an iron fist. My apartment is
near the French Embassy in Beijing, and for the past few weeks the whole
area has been blocked off intermittently with scores of police manning
barricades in case mobs come to vent their anger about what happened at the
torch relay in Paris, as happened a few weeks ago. The modernity of
contemporary China is a thin veneer over a very rough society that has been
continually brutalized for centuries both from within and without, and which
still bears deep wounds from the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural
Revolution. Things could get very ugly here if things are not played just
right, and the CCP knows this well. Just to be clear, this is not something
intrinsic to the "Chinese character", but the result of scars from an
unfortunate history. One needs only to look at Taiwan to see the strengths
of Chinese culture and character, fostered in a much less traumatic milieu.
Let us hope that the integration of China into the world community happens
smoothly and allows the healing of wounds that have scabbed over but never
healed.
"Micky Wong" wrote in message ...
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Author: bmoorebmoore Date: May 1, 2008 11:28
On May 1, 5:35 am, "Toby" wrote:
> The violence and vehemence that these Chinese students (and non-students)
> have been demonstrating overseas give a good idea what might happen at home
> if the very real grievances and problems there get out of hand, and is one
> of the reasons that the CCP rules with such an iron fist. My apartment is
> near the French Embassy in Beijing, and for the past few weeks the whole
> area has been blocked off intermittently with scores of police manning
> barricades in case mobs come to vent their anger about what happened at the
> torch relay in Paris, as happened a few weeks ago. The modernity of
> contemporary China is a thin veneer over a very rough society that has been
> continually brutalized for centuries both from within and without, and which
> still bears deep wounds from the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural
> Revolution. Things could get very ugly here if things are not played just
> right, and the CCP knows this well. Just to be clear, this is not something
> intrinsic to the "Chinese character", but the result of scars from an
> unfortunate history. One needs only to look at Taiwan to see the strengths
> of Chinese culture and character, fostered in a much less traumatic milieu.
> Let us hope that the integration of China into the world community happens
> smoothly and allows the healing of wounds that have scabbed over but never
> healed. ...
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Author: ¬Û¹« Micky Wong¬Û¹« Micky Wong Date: May 1, 2008 16:23
On 5月1日, 上午8時35分, "Toby" wrote:
> The violence and vehemence that these Chinese students (and non-students)
> have been demonstrating overseas give a good idea what might happen at home
> if the very real grievances and problems there get out of hand, and is one
> of the reasons that the CCP rules with such an iron fist. My apartment is
> near the French Embassy in Beijing, and for the past few weeks the whole
> area has been blocked off intermittently with scores of police manning
> barricades in case mobs come to vent their anger about what happened at the
> torch relay in Paris, as happened a few weeks ago. The modernity of
> contemporary China is a thin veneer over a very rough society that has been
> continually brutalized for centuries both from within and without, and which
> still bears deep wounds from the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural
> Revolution. Things could get very ugly here if things are not played just
> right, and the CCP knows this well. Just to be clear, this is not something
> intrinsic to the "Chinese character", but the result of scars from an
> unfortunate history. One needs only to look at Taiwan to see the strengths
> of Chinese culture and character, fostered in a much less traumatic milieu.
> Let us hope that the integration of China into the world community happens
> smoothly and allows the healing of wounds that have scabbed over but never
> healed."Micky Wong" wrote in message ...
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Author: ¬Û¹« Micky Wong¬Û¹« Micky Wong Date: May 1, 2008 16:31
Your view confirms that it is a gigantic mistake to let the Chinese
government hosting the 2008 Olympics .
I doubt very much that it is possible for the new generation of
Chinese red guards to do the things "just right".
As you stated that the Chinese nation which has been "brutalized for
centuries both from within and without" , such a diagnose put modern
Chinese squarely into the category of psychopath, however, the
question remains: what can possibly be gained by letting a
fanatically nationalistic psychopath to host the Olympic games? Will
the Olympics magically transform a delusional China into a responsible
world class citizen? If someone had such a wishful thinking 7 years
ago, the cold and hard facts had proved otherwise.
On the other hand, will China ever learn the fact that not that long
ago, Europeans and many other nations in the world has also been
brutalizing each other, why others can recover and only China remain
being a psychologically "wounded" giant ?! That's bloody childish and
shameless!
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Author: TobyToby Date: May 1, 2008 23:12
Your view confirms that it is a gigantic mistake to let the Chinese
government hosting the 2008 Olympics .
--The fault lies largely with the IOC. There was a verbal "quid pro quo"
that if Beijing were given the Games in 2008 China would work on improving
their human rights record, but apparently the promises were vague and the
IOC, which was supposed to monitor the situation via Amnesty International
and apply pressure as needed never really followed up.
I don't think it was fundamentally a mistake: one need only look at Tokyo in
'64 and Seoul in '88 to see what a boost the Olympics were to those
developing Asian hosts, and I suppose that the IOC hoped that the same would
happen for Beijing. However given that, it is hypocritical of the IOC to
insist that the Games are non-political; the IOC should freely admit that
they are and take responsibility for that fact in my view. Otherwise the
Games should only be held in countries with stable systems which are
integrated into the global system.
I doubt very much that it is possible for the new generation of
Chinese red guards to do the things "just right".
--This is becoming clearer by the day. In my view the CCP is caught between
a rock and a hard place. My feeling from attending numerous sessions of the
Party Congress and tracking the government announcements...
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Author: Jim WalshJim Walsh Date: May 2, 2008 00:55
On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:35:03 +0800, Toby wrote
(in article <4819b8af$0$248$bb4e3ad8@ newscene.com>):
> Things could get very ugly here if things are not played just right, and the
> CCP knows this well. Just to be clear, this is not something intrinsic to the
> "Chinese character", but the result of scars from an unfortunate history. One
> needs only to look at Taiwan to see the strengths of Chinese culture and
> character, fostered in a much less traumatic milieu.
Agree. The CCP should step by step institute normal human rights. The
Republic of South Africa model.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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