On May 21, 12:29Â am, EMBALMER
Taxidermy.edu> wrote:> drydem wrote:
>> On May 20, 10:44 am, EMBALMER
Taxidermy.edu> wrote:>>> drydem wrote:
>>>> I hope the China does a better job of handling this disaster
>>>> than we handled the USA Katrina Hurricane disaster. (9_9)
>>> That was easy. Â Since the city, county and state governments f*cked up,
>>> all they had to do was yell at the top of their lungs, "Where are the
>>> Feds? Â WHERE ARE THE FEDS," until everyone believed it was the Feds'
>>> fault. Â Other disasters both natural and civil engineering f*ck ups
>>> occur in the U.S. yearly. Â Only in Lousyana did the local officials
>>> succeed in shifting blame from themselves to the Feds/FEMA/Bush, because
>>> no other sane locality ever did that kind of sh*t.
>
>> Corp of Army Engineers got some of the heat because the contractors
>> that they used to make the New Orleans levees had failed to secure
>> the foundations properly - causing the the levees to fail
>> prematurely. However, the given the strength and speed of the
>> hurricane - this would have only bought some extra time.
>
> My sources were federal district court documents. Â Your sources, please?
Mass media( TV, newspapers, magazines), a personal account (by
a person whose family had a home in Gulfport before Katrina
destroyed it), and the internet.
>
>> One of the problem was that there was no federal or local plan to
>> help evacuate those who no place to evacuate to ( no money to travel
>> or relative to visit),
>
> Why should the feds make an evacuation plan for the CITY of New Orleans?
Large scale disaster scenarios which involve several states
requires strong federal government leadership to
coordinated a unified response for all the states involved.
Its not just the city of New Orleans but Gulfport that was
depending on strong federal leadership during that
region wide disaster.
>> had no means of transporation to evacuate with ( no car or truck to
>> escape with), or were physically incapable of evacuating without
>> assistance (physically or mentally handicapped and poor),
>
> New Orleans citizens cannot hoof it to their city's Dome? Â The
> handicapped cannot be helped by friends and neighbors? Â Car pooling?
> School buses (Oooops, sorry about this. Â Hehehe. Â More pictures of New
> Orleans buses on the internet.) Â If I was the mayor of New Orleans, I
> WOULD HAVE DRIVEN ONE OF THESE BUSES MYSELF to help my people! Â But no,
> he went house shopping in Texas. Â Sale filed at Dallas County Courthouse.
Many Katrina refugees did make it to the Dome so much so that it was
overcrowded.
I remember reading about residents of a nursing home being abandon by
its operators,
and the operators were later charged for neligience. IIRC - The city
of
new orleans at the time of Katrina didn't have a plan to move the
residents via buses -
one of the details theyt had not addressed with a mass evacuation of
the city
was where would the evacuatees go? IIRC - many from the Dome were
later moved
to Texas.
>
>> Another problem was that many insurance companies refused to pay for
>> claims to damages caused by the flooding that the hurricane brought.
>> So even if a home owner had flood insurance - the insurance companies
>> Â refused to paid on the hurricane damage claims.
>
> Yes, I agree with you on this one. Â What did the STATE Insurance
> Commissioner do?
>
>>> Before all the yelling and screaming and blaming took place, the
>>> Lousyana governor in a recorded interview were all praises and gratitude
>>> for the first Feds to arrive to do their work for them. Â Then the
>>> Democratic national leadership took over the publicity stunts and the
>>> rest is how-to-do-it history.
>
>> It wasn't the Lousiana governor but the Republican President of the
>> United States of America George Bush, who was best remembered for
>> praising the federal response to Katrina Hurricane.
>
> Do you want a transcript of the governor's interview? Â Of course it got
> zero publicity when she was told to toe the part line. Â Thank God for
> cameras and tape recorders.
While Loiusiana Governor Kathleen Blanco took some political
heat her response to Hurricane Katrina -- in the end - it was
President Bush and Michael Brown of FEMA who took most
of the political heat for the response to Katrina.
That might seems unfair but that's how it happened.
>
>> The Democratic Party national leadership however did started to
>> criticize the Federal relief effort after a few days. The rest that
>> follow was a What-went-wrong-and-why-nothing-got-done history.
>
> Yeah, all the critics could have been helping in the relief efforts, but
> NO! Â They were lip-flappin' fromhighand dry places DURING the
> rescue/relief/cleanup ops.
>
Often the independent press environment finds more profit in pointing
out the faults of others. Also opposing political parties by their
very nature
tend to point out the failings of their adversaries - such is the
nature
of our political system in the USA.
>>> When a disaster strikes anywhere else in the U.S., locals help
>>> themselves and each other, and neighborhood as well as
>>> elected/appointed leaders arise to the occasion.
>
>> That only works for minor disasters  - your an assumption
>> fails miserably during major regional disasters ( which
>> cover 100s to 1000s of square miles ).
>
> (1) Good leadership arises out of any time of need, except in New
> Orleans. Â The size of the disaster shouldn't matter. Â And you've never
> been in a Texas flood, I see.
Size does matter.
While necessity is often the mother of invention,
great peril does not necessarily bear good leadership.
Unfortunately,
people don't always rise to the occasion
and
Texas has not proven to be an adequate testing ground
given the resulting troubles that our current president has had.
(President G W Bush was a past governor of Texas).
>
>> Because Hurricane Katrina covered such a large area - everyone was
>> effected simulateously - local emergency equipment and supplies in
>> the wake of the Hurrican were frequently destroyed. Unless emergency
>> equipment and supplies were initially outside the hurricane's
>> destructive path - there was a good chance it was wiped out.
>> Emergency equipment and supplies had to be placed outside the
>> disaster region but needs to be shipped back to the disaster area
>> after the hurricane pass the disaster areas. Re-establishing
>> transportation and communication links for emergency supplies and
>> equipment during a very large regional disaster.
>
> So you were part of the rescue and relief and cleanup efforts?
Were you? Why should it matter?
Did you incur any personal or financial loss due to Katrina?
>
>>> During floods in Texas, emergency workers have to turn away too
>>> many offers from residents to use their personal watercraft in
>>> rescue and clean up operations. What did New Orleans residents do
>>> during and after Katrina? Aside from picking up the orchestrated
>>> yelling and screaming, the motherf*ckers reelected their f*cked up
>>> mayor (who was spotted in Dallas buying a house during
>>> Katrina--official real estate records exist in a Texas courthouse
>>> to support this)!
>
>> Why are you soo really angry?
>
> Because I was there and witnessed the lies and cover ups. Â Is that
> enough qualification for you?
Lies and cover ups?
Some bald faced lying is almost alway guaranteed by media spin doctors
but sofar I didn't see any evidence of a conspiracy wrt to Katrina.
However, mass media sources (independent or otherwise) do have a
tendency to only
show one side of the story - and often if a story is not politically
correct it doesnt even make it out the door. The internet doesn't have
that sort of limitation which is why I find the internet soo much more
fun to read... :-)
my POV is that of a local urban planning activist. To me preparing
for a disaster like a mass evacuation of Washington DC
is a exercise in logistics and mechanics - the urban planning that I
am involved with is affected the planned mass evacuation routes for
the city of Washington DC.
>
>>> While on the subject, court records exist on suits filed over the years
>>> by tree huggers against the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers every time they
>>> tried to work on the New Orleans levees. Â Liberal judges were only too
>>> happy to issue the injunctions. Â Yep, all that proposed construction
>>> could have killed some species of insects. Â So, people died.
>
>> I remember reading a different version of why the levees were not
>> upgraded.
>
> I suggest you read federal district court records for the past 20 years.
> Â Court records only have two versions per case: Plaintiff's and
> Defendant's versions.
>
>> From what I recall, the US Army Corp of Engineers recommended
>> upgrades to the New Orleans levees prior to Katrina was not
>> blocked by *tree hugeers* but because the project  lacked
>> federal funding.
>
> The levees deteriorated over several decades due to all the judicially
> blocked maintenance efforts that could have killed some insects and
> trees. Â Katrina made the discussion academic. Â People died, including
> some of those who tried to help themselves and others. Â Others, like the
> uniformed New Orleans policewoman, looted stores--not for food, medicine
> and essentials--but for store display equipment, appliances, telephones,
> cash registers, etc., unmindful of national TV news cameras. Â The looter
> cop, BTW, declined an interview.
>
> BTW, Drydem, if we're gonna continue this discussion, will you please DO
> NOT delete pertinent parts of my posts? Â Thank you.
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