> On Mar 3, 1:42 pm, "PeterL" gmail.com> wrote:
>

>> On Mar 3, 6:24 am, "RichAsianKid" hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>> Few comments:

>

>>> 1. First this is in Taiwan, so it's Taiwanese food, not Chinese! Even
>>> if you say this is Chinese food, funny how it takes Taiwanese to do
>>> things right! Mainland Chinese just suck.

>

>> Excuse me? So you are saying Le Cirque is New York food, not Frech
>> food, because it is in NYC? Anyone with an ounce of knowledge of
>> restaurants knows DTF is Shanghainese food, famous for Xiao Lung Bao,
>> typical Shanghainese fare.

>
> Guess you're right!! The website specifically states: "In DinTaiFung,
> the average dining duration for one table is about 40 minutes. The
> massive amount of orders often resulted in customers receiving the
> wrong orders." That cannot be Taiwanese, that must be Chinese,
> hahahaha!! Yes yes, with the adoption of the computerized system it's
> getting better, but *obviously* it will NOT have said that if not
> because of past bunglings. So you're right, that's just too unlike the
> efficient Taiwanese but so typical of mainland CHinese! ;)
>

>>> 2. Tourists have different tastes.

>

>> The NYT column is not by a tourist. Now if you look at Zagats that's
>> tourists tastes.

>
> Which is why Zagat is more relevant to the question at hand - if what
> you said is true - AbainChen posted on Japanese tourists flocking to
> this restaurant. And most tourists like to go where other tourists
> go, and not necessarily follow the decrees of one 'food critic'.
>
>
>

>>> 3. Likewise, one of RichAsianKid's fav foods is actually the Burger
>>> King Chicken Sandwich. That does not mean he'll go out on a special
>>> date on Burger King or celebrate birthdays or parties there. In fact
>>> he likes to brag about it because it's cheap and low class

>

>> I guess you have not seen the commercial for Jack in the Box by the
>> Maloof brothers. The Maloofs are billionaires and own the Palms Hotel
>> in Vegas. In the commercial they had the $6.00 burger, but ate it
>> with a $6,000 bottle of wine. In fact if you go to the Palms this is
>> available from one of their restaurants, Jack in the Box Burger with
>> $6,000 bottle of wine.

>
> The selling point is still the bottle of wine (presumably worth the $)
> with a burger tagged on, not the other way around, i.e. it's an ad
> gimmick, so that's still (by stretch of imagination, by juxtaposition,
> by fusion whatever) sort of.... passable. Now if you tell me they eat
> a $6000 burger (surely some billionaires may do that somewhere), then
> that's something.
>

>>> 4. NYT is usually just one food critic's opinion, Zagat surveys in the
>>> US are widely respected and broadcasted in signs outside and inside
>>> some restaurants (a chalkboard often states "Zagat rates our [fill in
>>> the blank] restaurant as one of top 10 in this city!") because they're
>>> based on over 250,000 opinions.

>

>> 250,000 tourists.

>
> Again, that would be relevant - if what you said is true - in the
> context of what AbianChen wrote? Japanese tourists....
>
>
>
>
>

>>> And Japanese gave Chinese a knockout
>>> in 2006:

>

>> So here you think tourist's opinions are better than a food critic?

>

>>> Japanese vs. Chinese: Among the key trends this year is the rise of
>>> Japanese food, which clearly isn't just for Californians anymore. In
>>> fact, sushi restaurants lead the Top Food and/or Most Popular lists in
>>> Boston ( Oishii ), Charlotte ( Niko ), Chicago ( Mirai Sushi ), Dallas
>>> ( Tepo ), Denver ( Sushi Den ), Las Vegas ( Nobu ), Long Island (
>>> Kotobuki ), Los Angeles ( Matsuhisa and Katsu-ya ), Miami ( Matsuri ),
>>> New York ( Sushi Yasuda ), Portland ( Saburo's ), San Diego (Sushi
>>> Ota), San Francisco ( Sushi Ran ), Seattle ( Nishino ) and Washington
>>> D.C. ( Makoto ), among others. On the other hand, *fine* Chinese
>>> dining, once the leading Asian cuisine in the U.S., seems to have
>>> stalled, with **not even one** Chinese restaurant reaching the Top
>>> Food
>>> Rankings.

>

>> I like japanese food too. It's not a contest. But "fine" Chinese
>> dining has never been the leading Asian cuisine in the US. Cheap
>> Chinese dining was, then Thai, then sushi. The Japanese restaurants
>> you cited are not usually popular with tourists, because they are
>> relatively expensive.

>
> Wait wait! Now these are not popular with tourists, and yet they're
> all from Zagat survey. This is a mental meltdown by PeterL. Tell us
> what's going on. First you said Zagat survey measures tourists'
> opinion, and now these restaurants cited in spite of their popularity
> are not usually popular with tourists because they're relative
> expensive. What's going on here?
>
> And incidentally Zagat survey ratings are on a 30-point scale,
> covering food, decor, service, and cost.
>
>
>

>>> 5. And yes, when it comes to price, the most expensive restaurant in
>>> the US serves Japanese food, the most expensive restaurant in the
>>> world is in Tokyo, serving Chinese, wooops, big typo there.... no,
>>> they serve Japanese!- Hide quoted text -

>

>> So you equate expensive with good? How shallow is that.

>
> Not necessarily depends on your mood. First about contest. It's like a
> contest between a prostitute (Chinese) and an elegant girlfriend.
> There are occasions for both so it's never a one-on-one. (Isn't life
> great? You CAN have your cake and eat it too....) Second, when
> something (finding that Japanese tops) recurs and is replicated across
> major cities in the US, that says something, and like Pavlovian
> conditioning people eventually associated one with the other - in this
> case, Japanese = higher class, more refined, more haute, in general;
> Chinese way less so, again in general (just as Vietnamese cuisine is
> not usually associated with haute; French and Northern Italian however
> are.) Sure there are exceptions (e.g. Japanese food that's being
> bastardized by Chinese immigrants who want to make a quick buck!) but
> overall the pattern holds. And incidentally you won't find too many
> Japanese opening up Chinese restaurants, yet you see so many Chinese
> (and Koreans) pretending that they are serving authenic Japanese but
> when you look at the menu you see they also combo menus of Chinese and
> Korean food. Talk about bastardization!
>
> Again, that does not mean that you have to be committed to one -
> either Chinese or Japanese - (although in the case of a real extreme
> infatuation or marriage then maybe you should) but sometimes Chinese
> food (equivalent of porn as mentioned before as they're cheap, dirty,
> addictive, good variety, best enjoyed private/takeout) does offer that
> sneaky satisfaction that Japanese food cannot equal. Will give you
> that! ;)- Hide quoted text -
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