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> Micky Wong posts FLG's "Quitting CCP Campaign" every day in this NG.
> FLG claimed number of CCP members quitting has reached 12 million,
> which means, 20% of total CCP members. It should be a BIG SHOCKING
> news to the world. But there is no single news media (except FLG's
> Epoch Times), eg, CNN, NYT, LA Times has reported it. In the meantime,
> FLG accused the CCP tightly controls the media, the people, then how
> FLG's Epoch Times in the states is able to receive 12 million
> statements withdrawing from the CCP from China. I asked Micky Wong but
> he could not answer but keeps posting the lie.

>
> Anonymous Infidel - The Islam Debunker wrote:

>>> Because you are blind.

>> Well then by all means, show me where he lied....Or don't and expose
>> yourself as the true liar.

>>>
>>> Anonymous Infidel - The Islam Debunker wrote:

>>>> Could you point out the lies in his post...I don't seem to see any. :)

>>>>>
>>>>> abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>> Yeah right, Micky Wong never lies. He just reposts FLG's Epoch Times
>>>>> which is full of lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Micky Wong wrote:

>>>>>> One of the inferior qualities belong to Chinese characteristics is when
>>>>>> a Chinese "patriot" lost an argument, he/she will lost the reference of
>>>>>> time or reason, turn into to a crying-baby, "China was attacked by the
>>>>>> foreign-devil imperialists".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems an everlasting disease which generations of Chinese are
>>>>>> enjoying to live in the memories of the remote past, trying to justify
>>>>>> all their current evil deeds by being once the past victims. Suck a sick
>>>>>> mind-set of Chinese characteristics is the true danger of China, it is
>>>>>> real threat to the whole world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your facts are totally wrong, you government had fed you lies and
>>>>>> bull-shit about China's recent history. And you're convinced by the
>>>>>> numerous lies in your history books, I've sympathy on your pathetic
>>>>>> ignorance in history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China's army attacked Tibet and occupied it since 1959, China's army
>>>>>> attacked Sinkiang and occupied it since 1945. On the other hand, is
>>>>>> Japan still occupying China today? Is US occupying any China's land
>>>>>> today? Chinese Government is a terror to many of it's own citizens.
>>>>>> Just the news this morning, Chinese armed police have killed recent
>>>>>> immigrants from Three-Gorge district, the dead is reportedly in 100.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you making a threat? If China can no longer making money from the
>>>>>> world trade, than China will attack US?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do U know, that the area of today's China is 3 times as large as during
>>>>>> the Tang dynasty? If China never attacked neighboring nations, where
>>>>>> came those extra land?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex wrote:

>>>>>>> Try to get the facts correct.
>>>>>>> China's army has not attack other country and occupy it.
>>>>>>> US attacked China under the 8 countries war with China.
>>>>>>> Japan attacked and occupied China's land.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> US propaganda is to make China a terror to the world, so that other
>>>>>>> will listen to them. In this manner, US can dominate the world,
>>>>>>> undermining China's progress and modernisation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> War is not needed as long as China get on economic progress and be
>>>>>>> rich. Except when protectionism comes in. Then there might be an
>>>>>>> economic war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micky Wong wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If Chinese government sees spying on U.S. for advanced weaponry as a
>>>>>>>> normal reality, then it is also very normal for the world to suspect on
>>>>>>>> China's true motives in rapid expansion in high tech weaponry build-up,
>>>>>>>> led by cyber-war technologies bought, stolen or coerced from western
>>>>>>>> companies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While China maintains a facade of peaceful ascend on the world stage,
>>>>>>>> how can the world trust a China, whose government has a horrible
>>>>>>>> track-record of supporting the rogue nations on earth?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peoples in the world will soon come to the realization that the biggest
>>>>>>>> and meanest rogue nation is none other than the so called "People's
>>>>>>>> Republic of China" ; IMHO, China's foremost hidden agenda is to defeat
>>>>>>>> the most powerful enemy for any tyranny, the United States of America.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rst0wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Micky Wong wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> "How would China sell its products if they go to war with the

>>>>>> U.S.? "

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the same reason that China's spy-ring in U.S. is trying

>>>>>> very hard

>>>>>>>>>> to smuggle advanced weapon components from the the U.S. to China.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spying is a reality in today's world. Not only do countries spy for
>>>>>>>>> military data, they also spy for commercial info. It's what they
>>>>>>>>> called one-upmanship on the others, one step ahead of the other
>>>>>>>>> fellows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rst0wxyz@yahoo.com a wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This is crazy. How would China sell its products if they go

>>>>>> to war

>>>>>>>>>>> with the U.S.? Whether you like it or not, China and the U.S.

>>>>>> depend

>>>>>>>>>>> on each other for commerce.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Micky Wong wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Showdown: Why China Wants War with the United States.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Showdown with China
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Jamie Glazov
>>>>>>>>>>>> FrontPageMagazine.com | July 12, 2006
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Preview Image
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Media/Homepage/ShowdownCover.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frontpage Interview's guest today is Jed Babbin, the former

>>>>>> deputy

>>>>>>>>>>>> undersecretary of defense in the administration of George H.W.

>>>>>>>> Bush. He

>>>>>>>>>>>> writes weekly for RealClearPolitics.com and the American

>>>>>>>> Spectator. He

>>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally guest-hosts on Hugh Hewitt's and Michael

>>>>>> Medved's radio

>>>>>>>>>>>> shows. He's the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old

>>>>>>>> Europe

>>>>>>>>>>>> are Worse than You Think, and the co-author (with Ed Timperlake)

>>>>>>>> of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> new book Showdown: Why China Wants War with the United States.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Media/Homepage/Jed%20Babbin2.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>> Preview Image
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: Jed Babbin, welcome back to Frontpage Interview.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: Thanks. It's great to be back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: So what made you write this book?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: China is the subject of too much "current wisdom" in

>>>>>>>> Washington,

>>>>>>>>>>>> and about 90% of it is just flat wrong. First, China is an

>>>>>> emerging

>>>>>>>>>>>> superpower. If you look back through history -- all the way back

>>>>>>>> to Rome

>>>>>>>>>>>> emerging from the ashes of Carthage - not one superpower has

>>>>>> emerged

>>>>>>>>>>>> except on a tide of war. China will be no different unless we do
>>>>>>>>>>>> something that's never been done before: manage another nation's
>>>>>>>>>>>> ascendancy to keep it peaceful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, China -- as it proved in the 2001 forcing down of the US

>>>>>>>> Navy

>>>>>>>>>>>> EP-3 Orion -- is a confident aggressor that tests us from time

>>>>>>>> to time

>>>>>>>>>>>> just like the Soviet Union did in its day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> China is intent on dominating its region, asserting hegemony

>>>>>>>> over its

>>>>>>>>>>>> neighbors and has engaged us in a Pacific Cold War. I wrote

>>>>>>>> this book

>>>>>>>>>>>> as a wakeup call for Americans to inform them of China's real

>>>>>>>> nature,

>>>>>>>>>>>> its growing capabilities and its intent. This isn't the China of
>>>>>>>>>>>> antiquity. It's new, expansionist, and very determined.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: Fair enough, but how exactly is China a threat to us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: China is a threat to us because it is a direct threat

>>>>>>>> to all

>>>>>>>>>>>> our allies and interests in the Pacific. Our main Pacific ally,

>>>>>>>> Japan,

>>>>>>>>>>>> is directly in China's path. South Korea, Taiwan and every

>>>>>>>> other nation

>>>>>>>>>>>> we have alliances with in the region are in China's way. More
>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately, China has chosen the wrong side in the war on

>>>>>>>> terror. It's

>>>>>>>>>>>> very closely allied with Iran and is a major trading partner of

>>>>>>>> every

>>>>>>>>>>>> state sponsor of terrorism. While they bolster the terrorist

>>>>>>>> nations,

>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much harder for us to defeat them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: The alliance with Iran is truly troubling. Tell us a bit

>>>>>>>> about the

>>>>>>>>>>>> unholy alliance between Communist China and radical Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: Iran sells China a lot of oil. In return, China is

>>>>>> training,

>>>>>>>>>>>> equipping and helping arm Iran's military. Along with Russia,

>>>>>>>> they have

>>>>>>>>>>>> aided Iran's nuclear weapons program. In other nations --

>>>>>> Syria for

>>>>>>>>>>>> instance -- China is allying itself with the Islamic radicals.

>>>>>>>> I won't

>>>>>>>>>>>> go so far as to say that they are actually allied with

>>>>>> radical Islam

>>>>>>>>>>>> itself because I don't really believe it. China's ideology is
>>>>>>>>>>>> communism. Radical Islam (which is an ideology, not a religion)

>>>>>>>> isn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> compatible. I think it'd be a mistake to say that China is

>>>>>>>> allied with

>>>>>>>>>>>> radical Islam. It is, however, allied with the terrorist

>>>>>> nations.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: How does China fit into the North Korean nuclear menace?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: North Korea is a client state of China. The Kim

>>>>>>>> Jong-il regime

>>>>>>>>>>>> would not be doing what it is without China's permission. They

>>>>>>>> may even

>>>>>>>>>>>> be spurring Kim on. North Korea is utterly dependent on China

>>>>>>>> for food.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If China wanted to stop the missile launches, it could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: China is also stirring trouble in Latin America. Can you

>>>>>>>> talk about

>>>>>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: The issue in Latin America is oil. China is the second

>>>>>>>> greatest

>>>>>>>>>>>> oil-consuming nation. We get about 18% of our oil from Hugo

>>>>>> Chavez's

>>>>>>>>>>>> Venezuela. China is working to get Chavez to cut us off and

>>>>>>>> sell that

>>>>>>>>>>>> oil to them. They've also made a recent deal with Cuba to drill

>>>>>>>> oil off

>>>>>>>>>>>> the Florida coast. We can't, thanks to the

>>>>>> environmentalists. But

>>>>>>>>>>>> China will be drilling about fifty miles off Key West. And with

>>>>>>>> Chinese

>>>>>>>>>>>> oil purchases come weapons and the PLA and Chinese incremental

>>>>>>>> hegemony

>>>>>>>>>>>> in the area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: What about Japan and Taiwan? Will we have to go to war

>>>>>> to defend

>>>>>>>>>> Taiwan?

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: I hate to give you a lawyerly answer, but it depends.

>>>>>>>> First,

>>>>>>>>>>>> it depends on who is in the White House. George Bush said we'd

>>>>>>>> go to war

>>>>>>>>>>>> to defend Taiwan. I can't see a Democrat making that pledge.

>>>>>>>> But that

>>>>>>>>>>>> begs the question: Should we?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Throughout the Clinton years, Taiwan was begging for arms sales

>>>>>>>> from us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> George Bush offered an extensive package in 2001. Since

>>>>>> then the

>>>>>>>>>>>> Taiwanese legislature - the legislative Yuan -- has turned

>>>>>> down the

>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriations to buy the arms over fifty times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now they're telling Beijing that they will cut Taiwan's armed

>>>>>>>> forces by

>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/3 before 2008 if Beijing makes nice noises toward them. A

>>>>>>>> nation that

>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't willing to fight for itself shouldn't be able to

>>>>>> expect us to

>>>>>>>>>>>> spend American blood and treasure to defend it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If Taiwan wakes up I'd come to a different conclusion. Right

>>>>>>>> now, we

>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't go to war in Taiwan's defense. Japan is another

>>>>>> matter

>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely. We have a defense treaty with Japan and are required

>>>>>>>> to go to

>>>>>>>>>>>> war to defend it. And Japan, unlike Taiwan, is doing its part.

>>>>>>>> Koizumi

>>>>>>>>>>>> is now getting Japan started on building a ballistic missile

>>>>>> defense

>>>>>>>>>>>> system. We need to do everything necessary (short of total

>>>>>>>> technology

>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer) to help the Japanese build their defense. Yes, we

>>>>>>>> will go to

>>>>>>>>>>>> war to defend Japan if China or anyone else attacks it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: If we have to fight China, can we beat it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: Maybe. Over Japan, we can win a very bloody war. In

>>>>>>>> the Korean

>>>>>>>>>>>> peninsula, the result would be the same. But what if China

>>>>>>>> attacks us

>>>>>>>>>>>> with its growing cyber-war capability? What if it employs its

>>>>>>>> growing

>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-satellite weapons capability? My crystal ball isn't good

>>>>>>>> enough to

>>>>>>>>>>>> predict the outcome of those wars. We could well lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: So what are your policy recommendations to the Bush

>>>>>>>> administration

>>>>>>>>>>>> on China? And what if the Democrats win the 2008 election, can

>>>>>>>> they deal

>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Chinese threat? What if someone like Hillary won the

>>>>>>>>>> presidency?

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: The Bush administration is doing some things very

>>>>>> right. For

>>>>>>>>>>>> example, in just the past two years we've managed to make new

>>>>>>>> agreements

>>>>>>>>>>>> with several of the nations surrounding China. Though the White

>>>>>>>> House

>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like to use the term "containment", that's our policy.

>>>>>>>> And we'd

>>>>>>>>>>>> better continue it. By increasing our influence and

>>>>>> creating closer

>>>>>>>>>>>> ties with the nations on China's periphery, we're doing

>>>>>>>> precisely what

>>>>>>>>>>>> we need to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another aspect of this is, again, North Korea. We need to

>>>>>>>> increase the

>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure on China to stop North Korea's adventures in space and

>>>>>>>> nuclear

>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons. If they don't stop the North Koreans, we should make a

>>>>>>>> direct

>>>>>>>>>>>> strike to destroy - with stealthy aircraft firing stealthy

>>>>>> cruise

>>>>>>>>>>>> missiles -- the Musudan missile complex. It'd be a risky

>>>>>>>> proposition

>>>>>>>>>>>> only insofar as the severity of the resulting UN kerfuffle. And

>>>>>>>> China

>>>>>>>>>>>> would learn a lesson we shouldn't otherwise have to teach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FP: Jed Babbin, thank you for joining us today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Babbin: Many thanks. It's my pleasure entirely.