Also, if I were J. Venning, I would not have posted those embarrassing
videos in youtube particularly he made himself like something a big
shot in classical music world by saying he was hailed as a hero in
China...it simply does not sound right!!! But it's too late, everyone
in SCC knows about his music "career", including you pro-CCP netters.
Of course, you guys will never admit those videos are really
embarrassing!!! They are more like coming from a struggling
musician!!!
Anyway, I have done enough on him. If you guys care about him, maybe
you should stop dragging this issue... It's up to you guys!
On Aug 4, 4:47Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:> I took the time and effort to look at some of your past posts, because
> someone claimed that you have written over 22,800. Well, they weren't
> lying. Look at
this:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/search?hl=en&q=abian...
> . I am an engineer, not a psychiatrist. You need help, and even though
> I would like to help a fellow Chinese, I don't think I am qualified,
> and I certainly don't have the time to write posts back and forth with
> you going round and round in circles, which you seem to enjoy doing. I
> have my beliefs in China, and you have yours - they are obviously
> opposite, but I certainly value mine over yours. So, let's just say we
> agree to differ. Okay? Listen to some more singers, and you will
> realize how good this Venning is. He is really very good. I have never
> heard a Chinese singer who can sing and interpret Western classical
> opera the way he does, and I have heard many.
>
> On Aug 4, 10:31Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> So the Chinese do not have free speech, free press... now. So why
>> argued with me last week on free speech? Didn't I say free speech is
>> restricted in China. People can not speak freely. So what's your
>> problem? I see, I tell the truth about your China, you feel hurt?!
>
>> On Aug 4, 3:39Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:>
>>> I really cannot understand that a fellow Chinese can be SO ignorant! I
>>> feel like screaming!!!!
>>> "In time" is not the same as "now" ! China 100 years ago was not the
>>> China now! In 100 years' time, China will achieve the things China
>>> doesn't have now, and things will be different.
>>> You should go to school and improve your comprehension of the English
>>> language.
>
>>> On Aug 4, 9:22Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:>
>>>> 10 minutes ago you said "in time we will have a government that will
>>>> give the people more freedom."
>
>>>> Now you said "I do not believe that the Chinese people should have
>>>> more freedom than what they have now,"
>
>>>> Are you always BS like this? What a pathetic person!
>
>>>> On Aug 4, 3:12Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:>
>>>>> It is very difficult to believe that anyone can be so ignorant as you
>>>>> are! Really. No government will give its people total freedom. Freedom
>>>>> is relative. I do not believe that the Chinese people should have more
>>>>> freedom than what they have now, because we don't want another era of
>>>>> civil war in China. Even here in America no one can have total freedom
>>>>> to do whatever he wants. He has to obey the law set by the government.
>>>>> You cannot, and must not, give Chinese people the same freedom as what
>>>>> the American government gives the American people. Our ideas and
>>>>> traditions are different. Look at you, how you misuse the Internet
>>>>> with all your stupid troll posts. That is because you have misused the
>>>>> freedom given to people who want to discuss topics and exchange ideas.
>>>>> All you are interested in is to insult people and say bad things about
>>>>> them.
>
>>>>> Yes I believe this Venning's claim. There are many classical singers
>>>>> in China who would want to learn from him and ask him about how things
>>>>> are in the West, because they want to come to the West and pursue
>>>>> their career in the West. He has attained a standard that is much
>>>>> higher than the singers in China - I know because I have heard them
>>>>> too. There is very little opportunity to be a Western opera singer in
>>>>> China. In my university we had guest lecturers come to tell us about
>>>>> their work and how to improve ourselves. Sometimes we get Chinese from
>>>>> overseas, and we treat them not only like heroes, but like gods.
>>>>> Singers in China know that it is very difficult to be successful in
>>>>> the West, and anyone who has made something of himself must be better
>>>>> than the local singers, otherwise they cannot get any job - the jobs
>>>>> will be given first to their own people, unless the Chinese is that
>>>>> much better. I know this in my work too. I would not have gotten my
>>>>> job if I hadn't been that much better than the other applicants.
>
>>>>> You don't know this, because you never got a job. Go out there and
>>>>> show yourself to be someone who is worthy, not an Internet fool! There
>>>>> must be some job or other that you can do instead of trolling Usenet
>>>>> groups all day long. Like they say - get a life!
>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2:40Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>> You see, finally you said your government will give the people more
>>>>>> freedom, i.e., Chinese people can not speak freely now. Then why
>>>>>> argued with me last week on free speech??? Â Didn't I say free speech
>>>>>> in China is restricted???
>
>>>>>> Anyway, J. Venning said he was hailed as a hero when he was in China.
>>>>>> With his pathetic music achievement, tell us if you believe his claim?
>>>>>> Tell us! I bet you won't tell us.
>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2:25Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>> I am Chinese, and I come from China but I live in America. People in
>>>>>>> China don't care about things you are shouting against our government.
>>>>>>> We know our government is not perfect, but it is the best suited for
>>>>>>> our people, and in time we will have a government that will give the
>>>>>>> people more freedom. Right now, our main concern is to build an
>>>>>>> economy to give the people more opportunity to have the things they
>>>>>>> need and to educate them. You are obviously uneducated, writing stupid
>>>>>>> posts all over the Internet and doing nothing else. You are an example
>>>>>>> of the bad by product of Taiwan education (or rather, lack of same).
>>>>>>> You know nothing about Western classical music and act as an agent to
>>>>>>> advertise this Venning's youtube files. I'm sure he has never gotten
>>>>>>> so much publicity before you decide to insult him. In the world of
>>>>>>> art, even bad publicity is good publicity. Hahahaha!
>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:01Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>> Here's another video clip J. Venning *proudly* posted:
>
>
>>>>>>>> Again, less than 100 audiences, I would say... Is that the best
>>>>>>>> performance (if you call that "performance") this self-proclaimed
>>>>>>>> "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave? Beats me!
>
>>>>>>>> And you really believe what J. Venning said, right? He said he was
>>>>>>>> hailed as a hero when he was in China. You tell us!
>
>>>>>>>> "I have sung in Beijing twice now, and each time, I was hailed as a
>>>>>>>> hero returning to his Motherland by the audiences." – J. Venning, Jan.
>>>>>>>> 16, 2006
>
>>>>>>>> And J. Venning did not make any muisc CD!
>
>>>>>>>> J. Venning is unknown to classical music world!
>
>>>>>>>> J. Venning is NOT a "Chinese hero" as he claimed!!!
>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here’s what we call The Concert:
>
>
>>>>>>>> Oh you want a little better known Chinese singer for western opera,
>>>>>>>> right? Here is one...
>
>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:44Â pm, enterprise
gmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 5:45Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's another video clip he just posted:
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Less than 100 audiences, I would say... Is that the best performance
>>>>>>>>>> this self-proclaimed "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave? Beats me!
>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here’s what we call The Concert:
>
>
>>>>>>>>> In your previous post on this thread, you wrote "That must be the best
>>>>>>>>> performance he ever gave...", and now you write "Is that the best
>>>>>>>>> performance this self-proclaimed "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave?
>>>>>>>>> Beats me!". You then posted a link to a Netrebko/Villazon YouTube,
>>>>>>>>> just because I mentioned their names in my earlier post. You know
>>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing about music, let alone Grand Opera! In fact, you
>>>>>>>>> know nothing about Western Culture, Idiot! You couldn't give us any
>>>>>>>>> names of Chinese singers who made CDs of Western operas - that's
>>>>>>>>> because there aren't any! The recording industry of Western operas is
>>>>>>>>> a closed circle that Chinese artists haven't been able to break
>>>>>>>>> through yet. Every time you write a post in the various Usenet groups
>>>>>>>>> you littered, you have shown yourself to be nothing other than a
>>>>>>>>> blithering idiot. What Venning has achieved is something you can only
>>>>>>>>> dream about, because you have no education and no upbringing - a
>>>>>>>>> street urchin that scrounges to stay alive by hook or by crook.
>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:31Â am, Donaldson
usa.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 7:37Â am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know your pro-CCP comrade, J. Venning added two more video
>>>>>>>>>>>> chips of his singing performance in youtube. That must be the best
>>>>>>>>>>>> performance he ever gave...Here's his new video clip called "Make
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe". Enjoy!
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pro CCP, heh? Well, what do you know? I know that man has got guts.
>
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