So the Chinese do not have free speech, free press... now. So why
argued with me last week on free speech? Didn't I say free speech is
restricted in China. People can not speak freely. So what's your
problem? I see, I tell the truth about your China, you feel hurt?!
On Aug 4, 3:39Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:> I really cannot understand that a fellow Chinese can be SO ignorant! I
> feel like screaming!!!!
> "In time" is not the same as "now" ! China 100 years ago was not the
> China now! In 100 years' time, China will achieve the things China
> doesn't have now, and things will be different.
> You should go to school and improve your comprehension of the English
> language.
>
> On Aug 4, 9:22Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> 10 minutes ago you said "in time we will have a government that will
>> give the people more freedom."
>
>> Now you said "I do not believe that the Chinese people should have
>> more freedom than what they have now,"
>
>> Are you always BS like this? What a pathetic person!
>
>> On Aug 4, 3:12Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:>
>>> It is very difficult to believe that anyone can be so ignorant as you
>>> are! Really. No government will give its people total freedom. Freedom
>>> is relative. I do not believe that the Chinese people should have more
>>> freedom than what they have now, because we don't want another era of
>>> civil war in China. Even here in America no one can have total freedom
>>> to do whatever he wants. He has to obey the law set by the government.
>>> You cannot, and must not, give Chinese people the same freedom as what
>>> the American government gives the American people. Our ideas and
>>> traditions are different. Look at you, how you misuse the Internet
>>> with all your stupid troll posts. That is because you have misused the
>>> freedom given to people who want to discuss topics and exchange ideas.
>>> All you are interested in is to insult people and say bad things about
>>> them.
>
>>> Yes I believe this Venning's claim. There are many classical singers
>>> in China who would want to learn from him and ask him about how things
>>> are in the West, because they want to come to the West and pursue
>>> their career in the West. He has attained a standard that is much
>>> higher than the singers in China - I know because I have heard them
>>> too. There is very little opportunity to be a Western opera singer in
>>> China. In my university we had guest lecturers come to tell us about
>>> their work and how to improve ourselves. Sometimes we get Chinese from
>>> overseas, and we treat them not only like heroes, but like gods.
>>> Singers in China know that it is very difficult to be successful in
>>> the West, and anyone who has made something of himself must be better
>>> than the local singers, otherwise they cannot get any job - the jobs
>>> will be given first to their own people, unless the Chinese is that
>>> much better. I know this in my work too. I would not have gotten my
>>> job if I hadn't been that much better than the other applicants.
>
>>> You don't know this, because you never got a job. Go out there and
>>> show yourself to be someone who is worthy, not an Internet fool! There
>>> must be some job or other that you can do instead of trolling Usenet
>>> groups all day long. Like they say - get a life!
>
>>> On Aug 4, 2:40Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:>
>>>> You see, finally you said your government will give the people more
>>>> freedom, i.e., Chinese people can not speak freely now. Then why
>>>> argued with me last week on free speech??? Â Didn't I say free speech
>>>> in China is restricted???
>
>>>> Anyway, J. Venning said he was hailed as a hero when he was in China.
>>>> With his pathetic music achievement, tell us if you believe his claim?
>>>> Tell us! I bet you won't tell us.
>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2:25Â pm, Dragon
newyork.com> wrote:>
>>>>> I am Chinese, and I come from China but I live in America. People in
>>>>> China don't care about things you are shouting against our government.
>>>>> We know our government is not perfect, but it is the best suited for
>>>>> our people, and in time we will have a government that will give the
>>>>> people more freedom. Right now, our main concern is to build an
>>>>> economy to give the people more opportunity to have the things they
>>>>> need and to educate them. You are obviously uneducated, writing stupid
>>>>> posts all over the Internet and doing nothing else. You are an example
>>>>> of the bad by product of Taiwan education (or rather, lack of same).
>>>>> You know nothing about Western classical music and act as an agent to
>>>>> advertise this Venning's youtube files. I'm sure he has never gotten
>>>>> so much publicity before you decide to insult him. In the world of
>>>>> art, even bad publicity is good publicity. Hahahaha!
>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:01Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>> Here's another video clip J. Venning *proudly* posted:
>
>
>>>>>> Again, less than 100 audiences, I would say... Is that the best
>>>>>> performance (if you call that "performance") this self-proclaimed
>>>>>> "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave? Beats me!
>
>>>>>> And you really believe what J. Venning said, right? He said he was
>>>>>> hailed as a hero when he was in China. You tell us!
>
>>>>>> "I have sung in Beijing twice now, and each time, I was hailed as a
>>>>>> hero returning to his Motherland by the audiences." – J. Venning, Jan.
>>>>>> 16, 2006
>
>>>>>> And J. Venning did not make any muisc CD!
>
>>>>>> J. Venning is unknown to classical music world!
>
>>>>>> J. Venning is NOT a "Chinese hero" as he claimed!!!
>
>>>>>> BTW, here’s what we call The Concert:
>
>
>>>>>> Oh you want a little better known Chinese singer for western opera,
>>>>>> right? Here is one...
>
>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:44Â pm, enterprise
gmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 5:45Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>> Here's another video clip he just posted:
>
>
>>>>>>>> Less than 100 audiences, I would say... Is that the best performance
>>>>>>>> this self-proclaimed "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave? Beats me!
>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here’s what we call The Concert:
>
>
>>>>>>> In your previous post on this thread, you wrote "That must be the best
>>>>>>> performance he ever gave...", and now you write "Is that the best
>>>>>>> performance this self-proclaimed "Chinese hero" J. Venning ever gave?
>>>>>>> Beats me!". You then posted a link to a Netrebko/Villazon YouTube,
>>>>>>> just because I mentioned their names in my earlier post. You know
>>>>>>> absolutely nothing about music, let alone Grand Opera! In fact, you
>>>>>>> know nothing about Western Culture, Idiot! You couldn't give us any
>>>>>>> names of Chinese singers who made CDs of Western operas - that's
>>>>>>> because there aren't any! The recording industry of Western operas is
>>>>>>> a closed circle that Chinese artists haven't been able to break
>>>>>>> through yet. Every time you write a post in the various Usenet groups
>>>>>>> you littered, you have shown yourself to be nothing other than a
>>>>>>> blithering idiot. What Venning has achieved is something you can only
>>>>>>> dream about, because you have no education and no upbringing - a
>>>>>>> street urchin that scrounges to stay alive by hook or by crook.
>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:31Â am, Donaldson
usa.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 7:37Â am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know your pro-CCP comrade, J. Venning added two more video
>>>>>>>>>> chips of his singing performance in youtube. That must be the best
>>>>>>>>>> performance he ever gave...Here's his new video clip called "Make
>>>>>>>>>> believe". Enjoy!
>
>>>>>>>>> Pro CCP, heh? Well, what do you know? I know that man has got guts.
>>>>>>>>> Good for him.
>>>>>>>>> How do you know that there were 100 people in that audience? I can see
>>>>>>>>> only 5 in that number. I heard him in Tucson with the Tucson Symphony
>>>>>>>>> Orchestra singing the opera duet with another beautiful blond soprano.
>>>>>>>>> There were only 20,000 in the audience, and he sounded much better
>>>>>>>>> live. The audience were crazy about him and wouldn't let him go, but
>>>>>>>>> then you wouldn't know anything about that, would you, Little Boy?
>>>>>>>>> Where is that list of Chinese opera singers who made CDs singing
>>>>>>>>> Western operas? I'd like to know. And where is the list of operas you
>>>>>>>>> have attended?
>>>>>>>>> Say what you like about him and his politics, he has made himself into
>>>>>>>>> someone who can bring music and joy to his audiences. What have you
>>>>>>>>> done in life other than troll the Internet all day long to quarrel and
>>>>>>>>> insult other people with your lunacy, and exhibiting your utter
>>>>>>>>> ignorance?
>>>>>>>>> Get a life! Go to a shrink first though.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah right, make believe he is self-proclaimed "Chinese hero" or what?
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> This performancee has less than 100 audiences, I would say...
>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here’s what we call The Concert:
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:16Â am, Donaldson
usa.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2:04Â pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sue me? Go ahead! So I will know which pro-CCP idiot is behind this
>>>>>>>>>>>> alias
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