I have already answered your question. It does not matter which
system, if matters what you will be. Would you RAK rather be a
homeless person in Hong Kong or a CEO in Shanghai? I would rather be
a CEO in Shanghai, what about you RAK?
Now RAK, tell us how your third world parents flocked to the US to win
residency rights. Tell us in details so we can understand why and how
your third world parents came to the US in order to understand why
Mexicans also want to come to the US!
On Feb 25, 1:34 am, "RichAsianKid"
hotmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 23, 5:48 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>>> Which system is better? I have just answered in other thread so read
>> it!
>
> Not asking which is better, but which one you personally prefer. Do
> you prefer to be an average Hong Kong'er or an average mainland
> Chinese? It's a simple question.
>
>> Now RAK, tell us how did your third wold parents flock to the US to
>> win residency rights? I bet he will not tell us!!!
>> On Feb 23, 5:28 pm, "RichAsianKid"
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>> On Feb 23, 11:24 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:>
>>>> Didnt RAK's third world parents flock to the US to win residency
>>>> rights some years ago?
>
>>> No answer from AbianChen, not a single word about 1C2S now huh! Which
>>> is better? Which of the systems within that one country do you prefer,
>>> AbianChen? The poor one or the rich one? Hahaha, let's hear
>>> AbianChen's answer! Ah! So **that's** why now the focus is on RAK's
>>> parents (and by extension, all those who fled communism!). Classic ad
>>> hom. Good for you, so transparent too!
>
>>> But let's take what you said a step further. Your argument
>>> incidentally has been put forth by many poor Mexican peasants in the
>>> US - (AbianChen, it's guilt by association, you're coming from a
>>> Mexican peasant perspective, i.e. downtrodden, poor!) - Mexicans love
>>> to say, "look whitey, your grandparents emigrated from Italy, your
>>> greatgreatgrandparents emigrated from Scotland, there's really no
>>> difference! We should let in everybody!"
>
>>> Oh yeah? Just because all of us have once been a fetus doesn't mean we
>>> are necessarily against abortion!!
>
>>> And survivors on a lifeboat (tiny little rich Hong Kong which is
>>> already triple parking human beings) have every right to pull up the
>>> ladder before the entire lifeboat capsizes -- especially if invaders
>>> do so illegally like Mexicans AND in the case of mainland pregnant
>>> chinese women who "come as tourists, then **illegally** overstay to
>>> give birth, they generally avoid dealing with hospital admission
>>> processes. Most call an ambulance and show up at a hospital at the
>>> last minute." In fact many don't even pay their bills before they
>>> leave, posted before.
>
>>> Maybe it's the mainland CHinese (or Mexicans) who love parasitism, who
>>> love leeching on to rich people and then violating the law. Er, sorry,
>>> that's a tsk tsk tsk for mainland Chinese: Mainland Chinese will *not*
>>> generate any very goodwill when the *first* thing they do in their
>>> host country is to break the law.
>
>>> And *that's* why they're even more despised.
>
>>>> On Feb 23, 11:19 am, "RichAsianKid"
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>> Why is citizenship in Hong Kong so "prized" by these third world
>>>>> mainland Chinese women? Why are HOng Kong women not flocking to
>>>>> mainland China to give births? Why are mainland Chinese women flocking
>>>>> to Hong Kong to secure the best for their children??
>
>>>>> Bwahahaha, mainland Chinese are escaping again, not the other way
>>>>> around. As usual....China sucks. Read the article!!!
>
>>>>> But having been in Hong Kong and to China, who can blame these
>>>>> mainland Chinese women? The blame belongs to the Hong Kong people for
>>>>> lacking the will in closing the floodgates and allowing it to be
>>>>> turned into a third world colony. (To be fair, similar criticisms can
>>>>> be directed against many countries in the West........)
>
>>>>> And not to mention "The city [Hong Kong] has retained a wide degree of
>>>>> autonomy since it returned to Chinese rule in 1997, but national
>>>>> leaders in Beijing often have the last word on Hong Kong affairs."
>>>>> 1C2S? Hahahaha!!! Who's kowtowing to whom?
>
>>>>> Of course some posters will argue, but the fault belongs to Hong Kong
>>>>> playboys. It's just too easy: "Show mainland Chinese women the money
>>>>> and they spread like peanut butter".
>
>>>>> But please, guys in Hong Kong, have some standards please -
>>>>> recreational sex is not the same as procreational sex. Fool around in
>>>>> China but don't drag the plague to Hong Kong.
>
>>>>> But then again, most mainland Chinese look pretty gross to me.
>
>
>
>>>>> Pregnant mainland Chinese women flock to Hong Kong to win residency
>>>>> rights for children
>
>>>>> The Associated Press
>>>>> Thursday, February 22, 2007
>
>>>>> HONG KONG: Women with pregnant bellies seemed to have invaded her
>>>>> working-class neighborhood, Joanna Leung recalls. They strolled in
>>>>> pairs through the fish market, and along the lanes running past
>>>>> concrete buildings stained gray with soot. And they spoke with thick
>>>>> accents.
>
>>>>> "Suddenly, there were so many pregnant women in the area," said Leung,
>>>>> a member of Hong Kong's city council.
>
>>>>> Eventually, she learned the women were among thousands of mainland
>>>>> Chinese coming surreptitiously to give birth here - and get permanent
>>>>> residency rights for their newborns in this prosperous business city,
>>>>> with its better schools and other benefits.
>
>>>>> The surge has become a headline-grabbing issue in recent months, since
>>>>> Hong Kong officials announced that many of the new mothers are
>>>>> skipping out on hospital bills and creating a burden on taxpayers.
>
>>>>> In 2003, about 10,100 babies were born to mainland Chinese staying in
>>>>> Hong Kong. Over the first 10 months of last year, the latest period
>>>>> for which there are statistics, the number jumped to 20,577 - nearly
>>>>> two-fifths of all births in the city, the Hospital Authority said.
>
>>>>> The government is now cracking down. But while authorities are hiking
>>>>> delivery fees for mainlanders and turning pregnant women away at the
>>>>> border, many worry the problem will not go away easily, unless the
>>>>> national government gets involved - and it has kept mum on the issue.
>
>>>>> The controversy highlights one of the oddities of this former British
>>>>> colony. The city has retained a wide degree of autonomy since it
>>>>> returned to Chinese rule in 1997, but national leaders in Beijing
>>>>> often have the last word on Hong Kong affairs.
>
>>>>> Chinese from the mainland need special travel permits to visit Hong
>>>>> Kong, even if their spouse is a legal resident, and they must apply
>>>>> for residency to stay. But no matter what their parents' status,
>>>>> children born here are classified as permanent residents.
>
>>>>> It is a prized status. Although China's economy keeps booming and the
>>>>> country appears to have a strong future, many mothers-to-be are keenly
>>>>> aware of the nation's problems: harsh rural poverty, poor medical care
>>>>> and underfunded schools.
>
>>>>> Pregnant Chinese women are using elaborate networks to slip across the
>>>>> border, but finding one willing to talk about their situation is
>>>>> difficult. Many hire agents who arrange their trips to Hong Kong and
>>>>> set them up in apartments, usually shared with several other women in
>>>>> their final weeks of pregnancy. Out in public, the women stick
>>>>> together or go with their agent.
>
>>>>> Many of the mainlanders are married to Hong Kong men, who link up with
>>>>> the women on frequent business trips across the border.
>
>>>>> "My husband is from here. I think the (hospital) services here are
>>>>> better," said a mainland woman waiting to deliver at Hong Kong Baptist
>>>>> Hospital. She would only give her surname, Zhang, but said she is from
>>>>> Shenzhen, a city just across the border.
>
>>>>> In 2003, most of the mainland mothers were like Zhang. Four out of
>>>>> five of the babies born to mainland women then had fathers who were
>>>>> Hong Kong residents, the Hospital Authority said.
>
>>>>> But in recent years, word of the advantages of having a Hong Kong-born
>>>>> baby spread to middle class women in provinces farther north.
>
>>>>> The number of Hong Kong babies whose parents are both nonresidents has
>>>>> jumped sixfold, from 2,070 in 2003 to 12,678 during the first 10
>>>>> months of 2006, the authority said.
>
>>>>> "Chinese people who can afford it are coming to pave an alternative
>>>>> road that offers obvious advantages. They're buying an opportunity for
>>>>> better development," said Siu Yat-ming, a sociology professor at Hong
>>>>> Kong's Baptist University.
>
>>>>> "It's much easier to leave the country for studies or a career from
>>>>> Hong Kong," he said. "It's not that China can't provide what they
>>>>> want. But you know, in China the common saying is: 'Finding a doctor
>>>>> is hard. Going to school is harder.' Competition is huge, especially
>>>>> for university places."
>
>>>>> China's one-child policy also appears to be motivation for some who
>>>>> come to Hong Kong.
>
>>>>> "Most of them insist they don't want Caesarean sections performed on
>>>>> them, because they want to have a second or third child," said Alice
>>>>> Sham, a manager at Kwong Wah Hospital's obstetrics ward, where about
>>>>> one in three of the patients are mainlanders.
>
>>>>> It is hard for Chinese authorities to track down a couple who has a
>>>>> second child born in Hong Kong, unless the couple goes to the
>>>>> government for schooling and welfare benefits for the child. Many
>>>>> women now coming to give birth here are well-off and have no need for
>>>>> those
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