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>> I use most scriptures to preach no religion.
>> See http://members.lycos.co.uk/alexkew/comment/gospel.html ,
>> see http://members.lycos.co.uk/alexkew/sub1/obible.html ,
>> see http://www.geocities.com/alex_kew/buddhistsutra.html ,
>> see http://www.geocities.com/alex_kew/hinduism.html ,
>> see http://sg.geocities.com/alex_kew/chinese/taoteching.html ,
>> see http://sg.geocities.com/alex_kew/chinese/daxue.html ,
>> see http://sg.geocities.com/alex_kew/chinese/zhongyong.html ,
>> see http://sg.geocities.com/alex_kew/chinese/i_ching.html ,
>> see http://sg.geocities.com/alex_kew/chinese/chuangtzu01.html ,
>> see http://uk.geocities.com/alex_kew/chquran/chinesequran.htm ,
>> etc etc.
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>> I preach that your spiritual soul, or the One inside you, is your God
>> or Allah or Buddha, Tao etc etc.
>> The Mark at your nose bridge is the site of Your God or Buddha etc.
>> It has to be SEALED so you can return back to the origin.
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>> The world is a stage, we are only actors. We are like water droplets
>> that can disappear into the ocean.
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>> Bald eagle wrote:

>>> "Alex" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1157419888.575347.3460@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

>>>> So don't say your is the original.

>>>
>>> Is it important ?
>>> What is importance is whether or not the meaning
>>> of Buddha's teaching has been correctly translated ?
>>>
>>> This could be verified by comparing the different
>>> translations of his cord teaching.
>>>

>>>> There are many modification going on

>>> for the past 2500 years.
>>>
>>> The Lotus Sutra was written long after Buddha's
>>> death by other monks. It is written in flowery
>>> language, with Asian imagings, .....
>>>
>>> I have problems understanding the lessons
>>> of this sutra, in relation to Buddha's core teaching,
>>> and cannot capture the key points.
>>>
>>> What are the key points ?
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Chapter 19
>>> If in the midst of the great assembly
>>> someone with a fearless mind
>>> preaches this Lotus Sutra
>>> listen to the benefits he will receive !
>>> Such a person gains eight hundred
>>> benefits of superior eyes
>>> As a result of these adornments
>>> his eyes become extremely pure
>>> With the eyes received at birth from his parents
>>> he will view all the three thousand worlds
>>> their inner and outer parts, their Mount Meru
>>> their Sumeru, the Iron Encircling Mountians
>>> and all the other mountains and forests
>>> the waters of the great seas, rivers and streams
>>> down as far as the Avichi hell
>>> up to the Summit of Being heaven
>>> And he will see all the living beings in their midst
>>> Though he has not yet gained heavenly eyes
>>> the power of his physical eyes will be such as this.
>>> [ How can one without achieving enlightenment be able to see the above
>>> things ? So the real story is the things are all on our head. Summit
>>> of
>>> Being heaven is the top of our head. Avichi hell is refering to
>>> nostrils and mouth. Iron Encircling Mountains should be our temple.
>>> Sumeru should be our nose and Mount Meru should be the nose bridge or
>>> the other way round. Great seas are the eyes and tears are the rivers
>>> and streams. ]
>>>
>>> If one upholds the Lotus Sutra
>>> his body will be very pure
>>> like pure lapis lazuli [ridiculous remarks]
>>> living beings will all delight to see it
>>> And it will be like a pure bright mirror
>>> in which forms and shapes are all reflected
>>> The Bodhisattva in his pure body ***(the One)
>>> will see all that is in the world
>>> he alone will see brightly
>>> what is not visible to others
>>> Within the three thousand worlds
>>> all the mass of burgeoning creatures
>>> heavenly and human beings, asuras
>>> hell dwellers, spirits, beasts
>>> their forms and shapes in this way
>>> will all be reflected in his body
>>> The palaces of the various heavens
>>> upward to the Summit of Being
>>> the Iron Encircling Mountains
>>> the mountains Meru and Mahameru
>>> the great seas and other waters
>>> all will be reflected in his body
>>> The Buddhas and voice-hearers
>>> Buddha sons and bodhisattvas
>>> whether alone or in the assembly
>>> preaching the Law --all will be reflected
>>> Though this person has not yet acquired
>>> the wonderful body of Dharma nature, free of outflows
>>> because of the purity of his ordinary body
>>> all things will be reflected in it.
>>> [ All the living beings, heavenly beings, spirits, asuras are refering
>>> to our body flesh. Our body is a world by itself. The outer world is
>>> like a reflection on us. Espeacially the Savior of the world, what is
>>> on him and his family will reflect on the whole world. Right now my
>>> wife and kids are disobeying me. So I know my preaching will be
>>> rejected as written in scriptures. Once they follow my foot-steps, my
>>> words can kill because my power is the combination of the four members
>>> of my family then.
>>> So be careful that you don't offend me.]
>>>
>>> The minds of these persons will be pure
>>> bright, keen, without stain or defilement
>>> And with these wonderful mental faculties
>>> they will understand the superior, intermediate and inferior dharmas
>>> Hearing no more than one verse
>>> they will master immeasurable principles
>>> and be able to preach them step by step in accordance with the Law
>>> for a month, four months or a year
>>> All the living beings
>>> in the inner and outer parts of this world
>>> heavenly beings, dragons, humans, yakshas, spirits
>>> those in the six realms of existence
>>> and all the various thoughts they have---
>>> upholders of the Lotus Sutra as their reward
>>> will know all these in an instant!
>>> The countless Buddhas of the ten directions
>>> adorned with the marks of a hundred blessing ***
>>> for the sake of living beings preach the Law
>>> and such persons, hearing it, will be able to accept and uphold it
>>> They will ponder immeasurable principles
>>> preach the Law in immeasurable number of ways
>>> yet from start to finish never forget or make a mistake
>>> because they are upholders of the Lotus Sutra
>>> They will understand the characteristics of all phenomena***
>>> accord with principles, recognising their proper order
>>> be masters of names and words
>>> and expound and preach things just as they understand them
>>> What these persons preach
>>> is in all cases the Law of former Buddhas ***
>>> and because they expound the Law
>>> they have no fear before the assembly
>>> Such is the purity of the mental faculties
>>> of these upholders of the Lotus Sutra
>>> Though they have not yet attained freedom from outflows
>>> before that they will manifest the marks described here ***
>>> While these persons uphold this sutra
>>> they will dwell safely on rare ground ***
>>> by all living beings
>>> delighted in, loved and respected
>>> able to employ a thousand, ten thousand varieties
>>> of apt and skillful words
>>> to make distinctions, expound and preach---
>>> because they uphold the Lotus Sutra
>>> [ Translation is not too good compared to the Chinese texts. *** is to
>>> highlight differences.]
>>>
>>>
>>> Bald eagle wrote:

>>>> I read Chinese...both the classic and modern Chinese
>>>> version.
>>>> I have problem only in writing Chinese in the computer
>>>> form ...in this internet.
>>>> I have no problem in a discussion or quoting "LaoTze"
>>>> work in Chinese. I have done so before.
>>>>
>>>> As for Buddha's teaching, it is better either to quote
>>>> the text in English, those direct translation from Pali
>>>> or Sanskrit. There are many Indian words and ideas
>>>> for which there is no exact Chinese equivalents.
>>>>

>>>>> When you want to argue about scriptures, please quote the
>>>>> scriptures
>>>>> and verses.
>>>>> You have a disadvantage because I think you don't know Chinese
>>>>> texts.

>>>>
>>>> No I don't have. It is another person, you are refering to.
>>>>

>>>>> Taoism and Chinese Buddhism are in Chinese texts. I read them both
>>>>> even
>>>>> though my Chinese is still poor and my English is just
>>>>> satisfactory.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you keep going arguing with other about 4 noble truth and the 8
>>>>> emancipations, then you have to quote the texts to show.

>>>>
>>>> Given below are the text of 8 fold paths...in English and Sanskrit.
>>>>
>>>> It is NOT 8 emancipations...Enmacipation is the wrong
>>>> concepts (in Chinese words...)
>>>> It is 8 fold paths....the eights ways to live our life in order
>>>> to stop human suffering. Here are a sumary of the eigth ways
>>>> in both Sanskirts and English.
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>>>> There are:
>>>> Sanskrit: praj