> how mush will you pay for the intelligence?
>
> your doom is my luck.
>
> ltlee1 wrote:
>

>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>

>>>you are wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>I DO HAVE EVIDENCE ABOUT HOW NURSES KILL BABIES AFTER THEY WERE BORN.

>>
>>What evidence? Please show your evidence.
>>
>>

>>>THESE THINGS HAPPEN IN GUANGZHOU, THE CAPITAL OF GUANGDONG PROVINCE.
>>>THE NURSES WORK FOR THE HOSPITAL RUN BY CHINESE GOVERNMENT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I do not care how you think chinese government. but I warn everybody"it
>>>is your risk to trust CCP" that is all.
>>>
>>>I am tired of this topic.
>>>
>>>let conclude this discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>charles_liu@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>

>>>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>do you have other intelligent sources about the organ donation in
>>>>>china?
>>>>>can you explain why the CCP kill the baby after they were born?
>>>>>can you explain why the people willing to donate their organs when they
>>>>>are sentenced to die?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think no chinese believe what you are telling. You are trying to
>>>>>fool the western people.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also believe that the article you posted is written by the chinese
>>>>>embassy.

>>>>
>>>>I don't believe your belief, show some proof. Go look at the article,
>>>>the Phoenix TV investigation is done by a report name Zheng Fe.
>>>>
>>>>Zheng is known for investigative reporting, his bank exec suicide
>>>>expose got him in trouble:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%87%A4%E5%87%B0%E5%91%A8%E5%88%8A+%E8%AE%B0%E8%80%85...
>>>>
>>>>Zheng Fe writes for and is cited by Boxun:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%8D%9A%E8%AE%AF+%E9%82%93%E9%A3%9E
>>>>
>>>>Zheng Fe's name is actually not searchable in China because his name is
>>>>filtered. As you can see, your belief about this article is not
>>>>reliable.
>>>>
>>>>So what else are you wrong? You basically operate in the same mode as
>>>>Falun Gong, that since you believe the Chinese government is evil, it's
>>>>believable they are capable of anything. So every unproven rumor must
>>>>be true. You have no proof, just that you believe it is true.
>>>>
>>>>Some people would simply disregard Chinese media's reporting about
>>>>themselves, insisting on what they know about China, like Buddhist
>>>>culture and people's desire to die "whole" (probably learned from the
>>>>movie "The Last Emperor".)
>>>>
>>>>It probably is still true to some degree, but folks forget most Chinese
>>>>are not criminals. Does one really believe "wholeness" applies to
>>>>criminals in Buddhism? Above article demonstrates a common rationale
>>>>for the condemned to consent to organ donation - the Buddhist desire
>>>>for redemption.
>>>>
>>>>First, here's a report about a guy who turned himself in for killing
>>>>his wife’s lover. Before he was to pay with his life, he decided to
>>>>donate his organ as last act of redemption, and willed the organ
>>>>donation compensation fund paid by the state to the victim’s family.
>>>>In his interview he indicated the reason he called for press is to help
>>>>bring awareness to organ donation in China:
>>>>
>>>>http://news.sina.com.cn/s/p/2006-03-20/12299394605.shtml
>>>>
>>>>Here's another one. This is a lawyer's comentary on a case he handled,
>>>>where a guy rape and killed an 18 year old girl. The condemned
>>>>petitioned to donate his organs in order to repay his debt to society,
>>>>after the appeal failed to spare him. The request to donate organ still
>>>>requires judge's approval, per the article:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.wenminglawyer.com/show.aspx?id=1713&cid=105
>>>>
>>>>Many such cases exists in China, including those weren't able to donate
>>>>because their petitions were denied or were not processed in time:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.baidu.com/s?ie=gb2312&bs=%CB%C0%C7%F4+%BE%E8+%C6%F7%B9%D9&sr=&z=&amp...
>>>>
>>>>You may find this irrational and indefensible.
>>>>
>>>>But just for reference US allows death row inmate to donate organ to
>>>>relatives on a case-by-case basis, and there are state legislations in
>>>>proposal. Also until very recently Republic Of China (Taiwan) allowed
>>>>this too.
>>>>
>>>>Chinese culture and Buddhist religious foundation makes organ donation
>>>>difficult to promote. However the condemned often seek redemption and
>>>>last act of contribution to family and society, under the same cultural
>>>>and religious foundation.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the Chinese government's organ donation compensation fund seems to
>>>>be direct at this population, but its aim is to promote organ donation.
>>>>
>>>>You may find faults in it. But who are we to deny their reality, and
>>>>self-righteously accuse them with our Western sensitivity?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>charles_liu@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>I am so sorry that my escaping will shorten your pig live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am really sorry about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Enjoy your pig live. You have no more days.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, yeah, yeah. If all you are gonna do is repeat your insults, maybe
>>>>>>the good folks of SCC should just ignore you. Who do you think you are,
>>>>>>Wang Wenyi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You think the Chinese people don't know, yet you know it all. Clearly
>>>>>>you are being brainwashed by Falun Gong propaganda. The whole thing
>>>>>>started with some ISOLATED CASES of abuse in China, and Falun Gong just
>>>>>>twist it into some sort of anti-China BS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even David Kilgour's one-sided investigation concluded this isn't the
>>>>>>Chinese government's policy. It's no different than the isolated cases
>>>>>>of abuse in NYC by a dentist turned body snatcher Michael Mastromarino:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=Michael+Mastromarino+New+York+PVC+body+parts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's an article from a year ago, Phoenix TV made a balanced report on
>>>>>>the issue of consent for death row inmate organ donation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.phoenixtv.com/phoenixtv/72951501286277120/20050823/617113.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(for those who can't read Chinese)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Notoriety of celebrity has brought the issue of death row inmate organ
>>>>>>donation to the forefront of public awareness. In reality, this is not
>>>>>>a secret in the medical community. On September 2003, China Central
>>>>>>Technology University's transplant research department faculty Yuan
>>>>>>Jin, Chen Zhong Hwa, published "Morality of Live Organ Donation By
>>>>>>Relatives". The publication mentioned main source of organ for
>>>>>>transplantation is from death row inmates who consented to organ
>>>>>>donation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reporters contracted doctors and officers of the courts to verify
>>>>>>testimony gathered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>According to sources, in order to obtain blood sample from the
>>>>>>condemned, permission must be obtained from the detention center, and
>>>>>>supervised by court appointed auditor. "If it doesn't clear the courts,
>>>>>>there's no way to donate organs." A senior court official stated that
>>>>>>the courts providing legal avenue for hospitals to receive organs from
>>>>>>inmates who consented to organ donation is not unprecedented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There have been number of reports of death row inmates consenting to
>>>>>>organ donation, including some unsuccessful petitions to donate,
>>>>>>rendering the condemned with final regret.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, the official admits, after so many years, he can not
>>>>>>rule out some cases of illegal organ harvesting. But he insists they
>>>>>>are isolated cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, these "isolated cases" have caused wide spread suspicion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rst0wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>do you know what is the "nui huang gou bao"

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, I don't know what "nui huang gou bao" is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I heard someone in China raises pigs and became rich. He then branched
>>>>>>>>out to pig feed and other related areas and became very successful and
>>>>>>>>very, very rich, rich, rich,... You must be one of his pigs that got
>>>>>>>>away from the slaughterhouse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>yes, i am born in a pig country and educated to be a pig in a pig
>>>>>>>>>>university.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>but I am a human, i lost a lot of to leave the pig country.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>how about you? are you still living in the pig country and feel happy?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't know when your folk will put you on the table.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I hope to hear you tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>rst9wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>畸葩(Dick) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>So what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I told you that all chinese are pigs with human like head on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>necks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>CCP are pigs, FLG are pigs. Pigs eat pigs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>pig pig pig pig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>chinese pig

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, where did you come from, the pig universe?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>rst9wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Komin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the PLA must kill all members of the FalunGong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and feed their cops to the Siberia tigers .

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, they sell them for fresh meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rst9wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, just as I thought - you can't. I've heard all those excuses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He's just a paid messenger. He said that much himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Micky Wong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>One person's postings to the internet can "destroy" the "reputation" of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world's largest evil entity - the monstrous CCP ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You've insulted the intelligence and common sense of most netters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your exaggeration is beyond logic or common sense and your flattering on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my meager efforts is codially declined.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are entitled to your opinion according to your own whim on whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>subjects of your choosing, likewise, It is my right to express my views
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with what I deem truthful on what is really happening inside China, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the crimes the CCP rogues committed against humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any special requests or invitations are cordially declined or ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In other words, your sole interest in these newsgroups is to destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the reputation of the PRC in any way you can through the repetitious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>postings from publications of the Epoch Times. You are not the least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bit interested in conveying to us the teachings of the Falun Gong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which you have no doubt taken up and consider the enlightened path to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spiritual pursuit. Is that it? Or perhaps you are so selfish that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't want to share this with the rest of the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Like I said, I can of course look up all these teachings and principles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by surfing the net, but I would like to hear them directly from someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like you, who seems to be convinced by the teachings that you would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spend time and effort to post anti PRC threads on the Internet, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the Epoch Times' philosophy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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