Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:24 pm, pg
catholic.org> wrote:>>Standing 15 hours and you already feel sakit for your dear daughter?
>>What's 15 hours? My son worked as a mover for a furniture company -
>>moving heavy sofas, cupboards, beds and so on, up the stairs, and do
>>this countless of time every day.
>
>
> I've bought a lot of furniture in my life and I've never seen any
> chinese moving up furntitures as you say. Either you're lying or your
> son is an exception.
>
That's because you are a katak dibawah tempurung. You are not a very
well travelled man. You only think you are. Go to KL and you will see
many chinese serving in coffeeshops, as movers of furnitures, workshops
and cashiers.
>
>>And he wasn't complaining.
>>
>>Insurance? You think my son got insurance when he worked as a
>>furniture mover?
>>
>>Hey, I'm a Chinese, and to you Malays we Chinese are weak and useless.
>>But at least I get all my children to work while they are study.
>
>
> I'm in contact with many chinese families and I don't see as you are
> saying. It is the natives and Malays who had to do the dongkey work,
> while the chinese are the salesmen and mandor. I suspect there are
> many chinese who are poor and suffer the same fate as many Malays and
> natives, but I've never seen them. Except one, but he is not mentally
> stable.
>
The poor chinese all go to KL or singapore to look for work. It's true
that you don't see them doing donkey work in Sabah, that's because most
of them are hardworking and entrepreneurial enough to go overseas,
leaving behind the comforts of home to seek work in places like johor.
They take a motorbike to go over to singapore to work in the factories
and do the donkey work there. they are simply more hardworking and
willing to sacrifice and they know how to look for a better life. The
natives, on the other hand, have been taught to sit down and wait for a
better life. Like your daughter la.
> [snip]
>
>>And one more thing - when you fall down, it's all up to you to decide
>>if you want to stand up or not. For the Chinese, we stand up by
>
>
>
> So why ask for government help, or complain when Malays get
> educational loans from governments. Worst, why tell lies about non-
> existing scholarships. Even the very best student in Malaysia, a
> Muslim lady, didn't get a scholarship.
> Only recently, when they introduce the Agung's Scholarship. That could
> be a real scholarship, with no strings attached.
>
They are not asking the govt. for help. How many times do we have to say
this before your retarded mind can accept it. We are asking for
fairness. That means if you give help it must not be based on race but
on need.
>
>> [snip]
>
>
>>Why don't you go blaming your own UMNO government? They got people
>>like Zakaria so rich that he can build his own palace.
>
>
> There is nothing wrong with being rich. Why are you so worried that a
> few Malays got rich when the richest are still chinese by a large
> number???
>
There is nothing wrong with being rich, but corruption matters because
it siphons off much needed resources which could otherwise be used to
help the poor. Are you that desperate to win an argument that you are
condoning corruption?
>
>>If you like a palace like the one Zakaria has, why don't you join UMNO
>>and get UMNO to build you a bigger palace???
>
>
> How many UMNO members can't afford to build such palaces?
>
>>All parents love their children. Don;t you ever think that you're the
>>only one loving your children.
>
>
> What makes you think that I do. I'm concerned that other parents will
> be in much worse trouble. Even now many Malays ride on motorcycles in
> order to go to places of study because they cannot afford to have
> cars. These are dangerous and as you had mentioned, led to the Mat
> REmpit cultures. In SAbah, in most places, we can take buses to go to
> work. In West Malaysia, the buses are so crowded that many people
> don't bother to take buses.
>
>
>>I love my children too! I love them too much to pamper them. I let
>>them know the real world ever since they were little kids. I let them
>>know the fact that we Chinese have to rely on ourselves to stand up,
>>to strive, to get what we want. We have no one to rely on, and I don't
>>expect them to rely on me.
>
>
> This is the reason why the Welfare State system is not well supported.
> We must realise that many people are unfortuante, and not because they
> are lazy and stupid. I've never met a single lazy person in my liffe.
> They may not be productive in the ways that we want them to be, but
> this is because the motivation is not there, or there are other social
> pressures such as Alongs.
>
> Malaysians must support each other just as is happening to all the
> developed nations through their WElfare System. Study the workings of
> the WElfare State in Hong Kong first, before you come to a conclusion.
> You must believe in the goodness of people.
>
>
>>That's why my sons and daughters all were working while they were in
>>secondary schools. Standing 15 hours is nothing. Moving heavy
>>furnitures up a 20 storey building, by stairs, is also nothing.
>
>
> Did I say my children complain. Many others also did similar and worse
> things but I don't like this. WE cannot take like our labour costs. We
> must be compassionate to our people. Why don't we provide them with
> chairs to sit on? Or lifts for them to carry objects. I won't applause
> you for doing these stupid heavy work. This is the problem of the
> Malaysian cultures. They value hard work compared to smart work,
> thinking that working hard and smart can be done together. You can't,
> which is why the proverb were invented.
>
>
>>I want them to realize that money will never fall down from the sky,
>>and the harder they work for their daily expense, the more careful
>>they'll when they have to spend.
>>
>
>
> As though you're the only one who care.
>
>
>>Jeeeeeeesh. You Malays are so pampered that you don't even know how to
>>raise up your kids anymore?????
>
>
> And yet, you worry that many of them can build palaces? Why don''t you
> study how these people can build palaces? Do you think that they just
> sit down and the money will fall on their laps? These are businessmen
> who learn to bribe people in order to get this rich, as chinese
> businessmen had done before. They just learn from the successful
> chinese businessmen in Malaysia, that is all.
>
> Of course I know it is destructive. Everybody must stop this practise
> of glorifying giving of bribes in order to be successful in business.
>
> Or working hard is all that you need to be successful. Better find
> alternative, more humane ways of doing things. Learn from developed
> nations, even from Hong Kong.
>
>
>>On Feb 28, 4:00 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>>>On Feb 28, 3:08 pm, pen...@freemail.c3.hu wrote:
>>
>>>>On Feb 28, 11:35 am, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
>>>>wrote:>>
>>>>>On Feb 27, 6:12 am, pg
catholic.org> wrote:>>
>>>>>>On Feb 27, 4:41 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
>>>>>>wrote:>>
>>>>>>Buy a used car lor !
>>
>>>>>>All my children's first cars were used cars, because I only give each
>>>>>>of them RM2000 for the down payment, and they have to find ways to pay
>>>>>>the rest.
>>
>>>>>Are they working or studying? How can they pay when they have still
>>>>>have no job?
>>
>>>>>>Once they graduate, got jobs, and got money, they can change their
>>>>>>cars if they want.
>>
>>>>Are your children handicapped ?
>>
>>>>Why can't they work while they are studying ?
>>
>>>>No job? Find 1 la ! There are jobs around. Even foreign workers can
>>>>find jobs here. Dun tell me your children are worse than the banglas.
>>
>>>She used to work for RM2 per hour, without any medical benefits. In
>>>the end, it costs more to maintain her while working than keeping her
>>>at home, but it was a good experience and shows that our people are
>>>not choosy in trying to get jobs.
>>
>>>She was willing to work for 15 hours, standing, with 1 hour break, in
>>>order to break even. Her meals and transport, was financed by me
>>>because if I insist on her paying me back, she won't have any money
>>>left.
>>
>>>Recently in Sabah, about 10 First Class IT graduates, a few hundreds
>>>graduates, applied for a job as a technician on lease for TM, among
>>>thousands of applicants.
>>
>>>So much for the lies about our people being choosy and not qualified,
>>>in taking unrelated courses.
>>
>>>All are lies by stupid, lying and greedy people like you.
>>
>>>The banglas and filipinoes can survive because they break all sorts of
>>>laws and rely on their luck in not getting sick while surviving on
>>>junk food.
>>
>>>Is this what you want for my children???
>>
>>>My colleague also suffered the same fate. All these are cause by
>>>selfish people like you, who insist of people working at below legally
>>>sustainable level.
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