On Feb 28, 10:24 pm, pg
catholic.org> wrote:> The more I read this thread, the more I feel that the Malays are too
> pampered.
>
> C'mon man. My kids had to work while they study. I pay for their
> tuition, and they pay the rest - dorm, daily expenses, dinner with
> their love ones, and so on.
>
> Standing 15 hours and you already feel sakit for your dear daughter?
> What's 15 hours? My son worked as a mover for a furniture company -
> moving heavy sofas, cupboards, beds and so on, up the stairs, and do
> this countless of time every day.
I've bought a lot of furniture in my life and I've never seen any
chinese moving up furntitures as you say. Either you're lying or your
son is an exception.
>
> And he wasn't complaining.
>
> Insurance? You think my son got insurance when he worked as a
> furniture mover?
>
> Hey, I'm a Chinese, and to you Malays we Chinese are weak and useless.
> But at least I get all my children to work while they are study.
I'm in contact with many chinese families and I don't see as you are
saying. It is the natives and Malays who had to do the dongkey work,
while the chinese are the salesmen and mandor. I suspect there are
many chinese who are poor and suffer the same fate as many Malays and
natives, but I've never seen them. Except one, but he is not mentally
stable.
> Unlike many of your Malay kids, don't need to study also can graduate,
This is an exaggeration but I'm afraid I see the trend especially with
our education system that emphasises on courseworks rather than exams.
Imagine, 60%% of marks are awarded for course works that can be
outsourced to outside contractors. No wonder outsourcing seems to be
the order of the day.
> and don't need to work while studying, so they can go become Mat
> Rempit.
They can only afford motorcycles.
>
> Have you ever asked yourself why there aren't so many Chinese Mat
> Rempit around??
They can afford cars or rather they know how to handle cars.
>
> Do you know why?
>
> Because most of the Chinese kids worked too hard, and have too little
> time to waste.
I don't have much experience with Mat REmpit that is rampant in West
Malaysia but not so in SAbah.
SAbahan children are not encouraged to ride motor cycles. Families,
from parents to grandparents will continously pester those who ride
motorcycles. Not many can stand this.
I tried to let my eldest son have a motorcycle license but while
studying he fell down 2 times. My sisters ride motorcycles but only
within a short distance of campus which does not exist any more. It is
too crowded at UPM.
>
> Stop blaming the Chinese for low wages - our Chinese people are
> getting the SAME low wages.
Most businessmen are chinese. So chinese workers also suffer.
Sometimes you don't blame the government because the government
listens to the people and those who sponsor the politicians. In a
competitive environment, every business want to pay the lowest
possible, while selling at th highest prices. That is why, all
Malaysians of all races must support a Welfare State system, similar
to Hong Kong in order to save our children from abject poverty.
Stop blaming other races as being lazy and stupid. These are just
blatantly racists. It is the system that made everyone poor.
>
> And one more thing - when you fall down, it's all up to you to decide
> if you want to stand up or not. For the Chinese, we stand up by
So why ask for government help, or complain when Malays get
educational loans from governments. Worst, why tell lies about non-
existing scholarships. Even the very best student in Malaysia, a
Muslim lady, didn't get a scholarship.
Only recently, when they introduce the Agung's Scholarship. That could
be a real scholarship, with no strings attached.
> ourselves. For you Malays, you always want others to help you stand
> up, and if there's nobody around, you blame the Chinese.
It is the chinese who control Malaysian economy and trying their very
best to prevent Malays from catching up.
>
> Why keep on blaming the Chinese? You think we are so easy for you to
> blame?
FActs don't lie, while chinese lie about Malays being lazy and stupid.
Even Singaporean chinese need help in education in order to progress,
and yet Goh Chok Thong insists on Malays to stand up by themselves.
Stupid comment from a stupid PM which is shared by many hypocritical
chinese in Malaysia.
>
> Why don't you go blaming your own UMNO government? They got people
> like Zakaria so rich that he can build his own palace.
There is nothing wrong with being rich. Why are you so worried that a
few Malays got rich when the richest are still chinese by a large
number???
>
> If you like a palace like the one Zakaria has, why don't you join UMNO
> and get UMNO to build you a bigger palace???
How many UMNO members can't afford to build such palaces?
>
> All parents love their children. Don;t you ever think that you're the
> only one loving your children.
What makes you think that I do. I'm concerned that other parents will
be in much worse trouble. Even now many Malays ride on motorcycles in
order to go to places of study because they cannot afford to have
cars. These are dangerous and as you had mentioned, led to the Mat
REmpit cultures. In SAbah, in most places, we can take buses to go to
work. In West Malaysia, the buses are so crowded that many people
don't bother to take buses.
>
> I love my children too! I love them too much to pamper them. I let
> them know the real world ever since they were little kids. I let them
> know the fact that we Chinese have to rely on ourselves to stand up,
> to strive, to get what we want. We have no one to rely on, and I don't
> expect them to rely on me.
This is the reason why the Welfare State system is not well supported.
We must realise that many people are unfortuante, and not because they
are lazy and stupid. I've never met a single lazy person in my liffe.
They may not be productive in the ways that we want them to be, but
this is because the motivation is not there, or there are other social
pressures such as Alongs.
Malaysians must support each other just as is happening to all the
developed nations through their WElfare System. Study the workings of
the WElfare State in Hong Kong first, before you come to a conclusion.
You must believe in the goodness of people.
>
> That's why my sons and daughters all were working while they were in
> secondary schools. Standing 15 hours is nothing. Moving heavy
> furnitures up a 20 storey building, by stairs, is also nothing.
Did I say my children complain. Many others also did similar and worse
things but I don't like this. WE cannot take like our labour costs. We
must be compassionate to our people. Why don't we provide them with
chairs to sit on? Or lifts for them to carry objects. I won't applause
you for doing these stupid heavy work. This is the problem of the
Malaysian cultures. They value hard work compared to smart work,
thinking that working hard and smart can be done together. You can't,
which is why the proverb were invented.
>
> I want them to realize that money will never fall down from the sky,
> and the harder they work for their daily expense, the more careful
> they'll when they have to spend.
>
As though you're the only one who care.
> Jeeeeeeesh. You Malays are so pampered that you don't even know how to
> raise up your kids anymore?????
And yet, you worry that many of them can build palaces? Why don''t you
study how these people can build palaces? Do you think that they just
sit down and the money will fall on their laps? These are businessmen
who learn to bribe people in order to get this rich, as chinese
businessmen had done before. They just learn from the successful
chinese businessmen in Malaysia, that is all.
Of course I know it is destructive. Everybody must stop this practise
of glorifying giving of bribes in order to be successful in business.
Or working hard is all that you need to be successful. Better find
alternative, more humane ways of doing things. Learn from developed
nations, even from Hong Kong.
>
> On Feb 28, 4:00 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
> wrote:
>>> On Feb 28, 3:08 pm, pen...@freemail.c3.hu wrote:
>
>>> On Feb 28, 11:35 am, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
>>> wrote:>
>>>> On Feb 27, 6:12 am, pg
catholic.org> wrote:>
>>>>> On Feb 27, 4:41 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad"
lycos.com>
>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>> Buy a used car lor !
>
>>>>> All my children's first cars were used cars, because I only give each
>>>>> of them RM2000 for the down payment, and they have to find ways to pay
>>>>> the rest.
>
>>>> Are they working or studying? How can they pay when they have still
>>>> have no job?
>
>>>>> Once they graduate, got jobs, and got money, they can change their
>>>>> cars if they want.
>
>>> Are your children handicapped ?
>
>>> Why can't they work while they are studying ?
>
>>> No job? Find 1 la ! There are jobs around. Even foreign workers can
>>> find jobs here. Dun tell me your children are worse than the banglas.
>
>> She used to work for RM2 per hour, without any medical benefits. In
>> the end, it costs more to maintain her while working than keeping her
>> at home, but it was a good experience and shows that our people are
>> not choosy in trying to get jobs.
>
>> She was willing to work for 15 hours, standing, with 1 hour break, in
>> order to break even. Her meals and transport, was financed by me
>> because if I insist on her paying me back, she won't have any money
>> left.
>
>> Recently in Sabah, about 10 First Class IT graduates, a few hundreds
>> graduates, applied for a job as a technician on lease for TM, among
>> thousands of applicants.
>
>> So much for the lies about our people being choosy and not qualified,
>> in taking unrelated courses.
>
>> All are lies by stupid, lying and greedy people like you.
>
>> The banglas and filipinoes can survive because they break all sorts of
>> laws and rely on their luck in not getting sick while surviving on
>> junk food.
>
>> Is this what you want for my children???
>
>> My colleague also suffered the same fate. All these are cause by
>> selfish people like you, who insist of people working at below legally
>> sustainable level.
