> why do you call him rat? he wants to be a rich asian kid, probably
> because he is a poor negro old man - a nom.

>
>
> yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I'm a sensable driver, RAT. I don't take chances when I don't have to.
>> There is no need to speed. I've got 99 years to live. I still have
>> many years to go yet.
>>

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>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lechergod wrote:

>>>>>>>> you are still not accepting newsgroups to be battlefield,
>>>>>>>> so you are so in trouble with such annoyance !!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I don't think you should add insult to injury.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>why should he? he likes it here. he thinks he is superior then all the
>>>>>>>>>>rest of you, but all he is is a piece of shit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>Then you should go to soc.culture.usa to preach your TI but I doubt you
>>>>>>>>>>>will go there. :^))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>1912? 1912 was a good year for the Republic of China, finally there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a hope for the Chinese people. Unfortunatly it did not last long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and China went into chaos for next 70 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are a nice guy? Oh no, you are NOT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for your TI, *your* America does not support it, so blame your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>America!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Guess that implies more Americans should lobby the government to
>>>>>>>>>>>>support TI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We're still waiting for your answers to my previous questions - your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion of whether Mongolian independence was and is a good or bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thing for China. And whether 1912 is a blight or honor on China's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>history. I guess that opinion will never come. If so I shall not offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my answers to your questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT....since I am such a nice guy and a gent, unlike some cheap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwanese and ugly dirty smelly filthy third world spitting mainland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chinese, I say this. Of course people listen to America more than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China. And they should. America is tops in so many areas and that's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people die to risk their chances in the US. Do Americans want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>emigrate to China in droves and try to arrange mass marriages with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mainland Chinese peasants so they can get their Chinese passports and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>secure Chinese citizenship? No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You asked about disasters with TI. This disaster will only happen if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China decides to attack Taiwan. If China's cool with it, and Taiwan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>declares independence, what's going to happen? No "disaster" will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>happen. If China decides that it will treat an independent Taiwan as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>another Asian country like South Korea, or Phillipines, or even Japan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(in spite of historical animosities), then what disaster will happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The ball is therefore in China's court - the disaster and cupability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore lies with China, not Taiwan. If disaster happens, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because China makes it happen, not the other way around. Secession is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not the same as invasion. Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan, or Hong Kong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or Singapore may look down on mainland China, yes, but they will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suddenly decide to attack it by 'non peaceful' means.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And let's even forget about TI for a moment. Based on your two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paragraphs and assuming everything you said is true, as a compromise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>between TI and U, then why not have Taiwan and China stay status quo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for, say, another century - or forever? Things seem to be working right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now, even you or other die-hard one China'ers would say, no? So why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talk about *eventual* unification? Why even think of uniting (or as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you'd like to say re-uniting) into one *country* -- not an economic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>region, not a trading bloc, but one country? For nativistic fantasy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>frenzy? To appease so many very dreary red-eyed hardcore nationalists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who are way past their prime, who love drowning in their own wistful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nostalgia and melancholy longing for some bygone era where China was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(if ever) the center of civilization, the beacon of the East, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>'middle kingdom' where all outsiders were barbarians?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwanese have a lot to fear from mainland China. And mainland Chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have everything Taiwan to covet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey, Mongolia is part of ROC according to ROC Constitution, can we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>change that? No! Because *your* GW Bush does not allow we Taiwanese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to do that. So what's your opinion about that??? Let's see if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will bash GW Bush as you did on China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for mainland China, you sound like we want immediate unification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Of course not! Because mainland China is not ready yet at least for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>next 25 years, IMO. But how about your TI? Will your TI bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>disaster to Taiwan??? You tell me!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are no different from those ridiculous TIers. Always bring up old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trick, Mongolia as an example (some TIers even mentioned Chinatown in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the states), why dont you go to Taiwan and mainland China to see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyone wants Mongolia to be part of China. If you want to preach TI,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>face the fact first, that is, there are Taiwanese for TI and there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwanese for U too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You didn't answer the question - "If you can have it your way now (just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for fun), do you want Mongolia to be re-united with China?" The answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>should not be dependent on whether Mongolians want to be reunited with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China or whether mainland Chinese want Mongolia want to be part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China - because I'm just asking for your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And is 1921 a bad year for China, again in your opinion (i.e. year when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mongolia became independent)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BTW, a few years ago, some Mongolians did say maybe it is a good idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to rejoin China to benefit China's economic success so you never know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:^))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ohhhhh, just like...you mean some Chinese want to rejoin Taiwan to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>benefit from Taiwan's economic success!! Do they want to steal from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwan? Do they want to pillage and plunder from Taiwan? Do they want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to have an equal economic structure and political system of Taiwan's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that their own country - mainland China - was not and still is not able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to provide!? Do they want to use Taiwan as a stepping stone to emigrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the West, so they can live and lead better lives?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Country GDP PPP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwan $27600
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China $6800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mongolia $1900
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just *imagine* this for a moment. Taiwan becomes a separate country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will you be indifferent? Because I am (unlike my friends who are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much for TI). I bet however, that you'd say that you'd very very much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like to live to see Taiwan and China united with your own eyes - the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>status quo is only a compromise. You want to see the two together
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>united, sooner rather than later. Is RAK far from the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So here's the question: what do you think of Mongolia? If you can have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it your way now (just for fun), do you want Mongolia to be re-united
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with China? Is 1921 a bad year for China in your opinion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nah, send your post to the White House to see if *your* GW Bush will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>change mind and support your TI. Hey, you never know, Bush may write a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>follow-up to this NG. Other than that, we are fine with status quo and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>glad the economic tie with mainland China getting stronger each year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>abianchen@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you only hang out with your TI comrades, of course, no Taiwanese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wants unification. But if you go out of your TI ghetto and talk to KMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>supporters, you will find majority of them support One-China Principle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and eventual unification. And not to mention 1.5 million Taiwanese now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>live, work, study in mainland China. And chance for your TI is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>slim although you can dream of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This post is just for you, after your long absence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghetto? Poor mainland Chinese look more ghetto to me than richer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwanese!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Secessionist sentiment is popping up all over the world. History
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suggests that diversity be it ethnic, religious, or linguistic - or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>even there is nothing significant but a group of people only perceives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>itself as different in tribe can often associated with a kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fragmentation and political identification. And modern day secessionist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movements have broken apart the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2001 Germany began a year-long celebartion of old Prussia. In England,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Union Jack is replaced on taxicabs with the medieval Cross of ST.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>George. In Alberta and Saskatchewan, indepedence parties have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>formed etc. Or this Tibet/China/Taiwan situation in the Far East. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now with the La Reconquista movement in SW US. There are differences of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course but still.....sometimes good fences make good neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Having said all that, I've said before that he doesn't really care and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neither do I - indepedence is not really a topic of conversation - and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>**neither is unification**. But come think of it, I think that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mention once in passing that he is a (strong) supporter of independence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(he's "upper middle class"). He's not the one who said Chinese are shit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>btw, it's another Taiwanese. I really sense a great deal of Taiwanese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who are very rough on China. Even Hong Kong people say the same - they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't like mainland Chinese moving in their neighborhood - even though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's a ghetto itself. Probably that's why their parents emigrated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't know. Even Korean American friends dislike mainland Chinese and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>label them as barbaric. "White" Americans probably feel the same but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's politically incorrect to voice this though a good Anglo friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>keeps taunting saying "Chinamen square" (for Tianamen Square) re:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>barbarism! Totally off topic. Just saying that's how people view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>things. (Or the crowd that RAK hangs out with??)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To be fair China has improved a lot since the 80s, and probably will in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the future. As it is on its upward slope, those who are affluent (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guess who?) can take advantage of business ops, dulling whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deserved antipathy; those who are lower down the socioeconomic ladder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will just have to kick China around! I must admit that I now view China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in a slightly more favorable light after I compared it to India (check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out previous threads). Something about India just incites a sense of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>animosity - like, how can these people be so stupid (IQ in low 80s) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>make such a mess of a country? At least China's doing better. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>China to be a developed country in general and for foreigners to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>respect its citizens (vs military prowess or terrorist aspects from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nukes!) and for China to have generally liveable conditions by Western
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>standards - it will take a few decades. Or it can conquer Russia on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>East and start development anew - after it conquers Tibet and Taiwan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lots of land there. Pat Buchanan's prophecy....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>area51watch@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RichAsianKid wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"In terms of the four Asian countries Taiwan, China, Japan, and South
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Korea, the general public in the five countries (Japan, US, UK, France,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Germany) surveyed has, on the whole, a better impression of Japan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>followed by Taiwan and South Korea, while their impression of China is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the least favorable."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that people in Japan also have the most favorable impression
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of Taiwan, followed by Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>increasingly, South Korea (especially among Japan's youths who seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gobble up contemporary South Korean movie actors and actresses and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>singers).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A Taiwanese friend of mine says his favorite country in Asia is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>doubt Japan, followed by Singapore. Hong Kong gave him a bad taste as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when he tried to speak accented Mandarin (he came to US very early)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people thought he was mainland Chinese and dissed him and 'fleeced'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>him. So he then switched to English and he was much more respected. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sure about the rest of your list, but it probably holds true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's interesting that South Korea has a relatively bad rep esp in Japan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but also in Taiwan due in no small part to historical reasons but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>personal experience with Koreans (those who either emigrated early or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ABKs) has been positive. Of course they know how to party and get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sloshed in bars so that's why they're so swell (unlike Taiwanese who go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for bubble tea, or Japanese who go for sushi, as much as I love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Japanese food)!! I cannot say the same about 40-50+ Korean crowd of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course, or those who do not speak much English - they come across as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gruff and rude and too fiercely nationalistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's amazing how South Korean 'hallyu' phenomenon has taken over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>East so seriously. I wondered why, and a search makes this more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>understandable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.kpopmusic.co.uk/Korean_Girls.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And yes Japan does not trust China, Russia, or NK. I think a lot in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwan do not trust these countries either, based on personal opinion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feedback. They may not necessarily want war (no one does) or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>necessarily immediate outright secession in the case of Taiwan, but no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taiwanese that I know of dream of 'unification' with mainland China as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>predaciously as many mainland Chinese do with Taiwan. I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are some, probably even here on these newsgroups, and specimens may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>found amongst those who choose to re-locate to mainland China, but just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saying personal experience indicates otherwise. If anything they do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like mainland Chinese or the government or even China. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>understandable - else people would not be voting with their feet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>leaving their countries for democratic countries in the west or even SE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Asian countries - there are HK/Taiwan people migrating to Phillippines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thailand, Indonesia - i.e. down the economic gradient - away from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>threat of communism. It remains to be seen how China will be perceived
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with its increasing economic clout, even though it is still far far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>behind Taiwan, or South Korea. Focus on right column, ppp adjusted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>posted in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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