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Author: ltlee1
Date: Aug 1, 2008 05:25

I
语言当然是用æ¥è¡¨è¾¾ä¸€ä¸ªäººçš„æ€æƒ³ã€æ„Ÿæƒ…ã€å¯¹æŸäº‹ç‰©çš„好æ¶ç­‰ç­‰ã€‚ 人与人之间,语言也是传递信æ¯å’ŒçŸ¥è¯†çš„ä¸»è¦æ¡¥æ¢ã€‚这都是言语正é¢çš„功能。语言也有一个很
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Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say more?         


Author: abian_chen
Date: Aug 1, 2008 05:38

Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
Moore can "appreciate" your article?

BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
morning every day?

Anyway...

Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
more?

On Aug 1, 8:25 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
> I
> 语言当然是用æ¥è¡¨è¾¾ä¸€ä¸ªäººçš„æ€æƒ³ã€æ„Ÿæƒ…ã€å¯¹æŸäº‹ç‰©çš„好æ¶ç­‰ç­‰ã€‚ 人与人之间,语言也是传递信æ¯å’ŒçŸ¥è¯†çš„ä¸»è¦æ¡¥æ¢ã€‚这都是言语正é¢çš„功能。语言也有一个很
> é‡è¦çš„è´Ÿé¢åŠŸèƒ½ã€‚å«åˆ«äººé—­å˜´çš„功能。 本能上几乎所有的人都清楚言语的正é¢åŠŸèƒ½ã€‚è¨€è¯­çš„è´Ÿé¢åŠŸèƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒå—忽略。
>
> 在很多的情况下,语言正é¢ä¸Žè´Ÿé¢çš„åŠŸèƒ½å¹¶è¡Œä¸æ‚–。...
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Re: Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say more?         


Author: ltlee1
Date: Aug 1, 2008 05:49

On Aug 1, 8:38 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
> Moore can "appreciate" your article?
>
> BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
> places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
> government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
> morning every day?
>
> Anyway...
>
> Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
> press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
> more?

You are being silly again. Such questions had been raised by Jim Walsh
many times and they had been answered many times.
>
> On Aug 1, 8:25 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I
>> 语言当然是用æ¥è¡¨è¾¾ä¸€ä¸ªäººçš„æ€æƒ³ã€æ„Ÿæƒ…ã€å¯¹æŸäº‹ç‰©çš„好æ¶ç­‰ç­‰ã€‚...
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Author: Siansiansian
Date: Aug 1, 2008 05:54

On Aug 1, 8:38 pm, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
> Moore can "appreciate" your article?
>
> BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
> places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
> government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
> morning every day?
>
> Anyway...
>
> Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
> press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
> more?
>
> On Aug 1, 8:25 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Freedom of anything is subject to not causing any nuisance to others.
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Author: Lproudman
Date: Aug 1, 2008 06:40

On Aug 1, 5:38 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
> Moore can "appreciate" your article?
>
> BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
> places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
> government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
> morning every day?
>
> Anyway...
>
> Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
> press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
> more?
>
> On Aug 1, 8:25 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I ...
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Author: Lproudman
Date: Aug 1, 2008 06:46

On Aug 1, 5:38 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
> Moore can "appreciate" your article?
>
> BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
> places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
> government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
> morning every day?
>
> Anyway...
>
> Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
> press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
> more?
>
> On Aug 1, 8:25 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I ...
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Author: abian_chen
Date: Aug 1, 2008 08:26

I have no idea if you have answered it or not. But if anyone wants to
openly promote "Free Tibet", "Free speech"... in China the person will
get arrested.

On Aug 1, 8:49 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:38 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
>> Moore can "appreciate"...
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Author: ltlee1
Date: Aug 1, 2008 09:24

On Aug 1, 11:26 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have no idea if you have answered it or not. But if anyone wants to
> openly promote "Free Tibet", "Free speech"... in China the person will
> get arrested.

You are changing the topic from "shouting" to "promoting." "Shouting"
is disturbing public peace in an explicit manner. Promoting is
different. But that is fine.

Promoting free tibet or whatever cause is not something new. It is
ongoing. Humans are not robots. We all have our ideas and ideals on
various topics. And theese inevitably show up in our language and our
behaviors. (Here I am excluding violent behaviors.) And we all adjust
to each other's idaas and ideals in the ways we think, talk, and act.
As a matter of fact, whether the government allows such or any
promotion is irrelevant.
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Author: rst0wxyz
Date: Aug 1, 2008 09:35

On Aug 1, 5:49 am, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:38 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Why don't you translate it into English so everyone including Bill
>> Moore can "appreciate" your article?
>
>> BTW, in the article, CCP government said if you shout in the public
>> places that's disturbance of public safety. Then how come CCP
>> government broadcast Nation Anthem via loudspeaks in TAM Square early
>> morning every day?
>
>> Anyway...
>
>> Can Chinese people shout "Freedom of religion", "Freedom of the
>> press"...in TAM Square without getting arrested? NOT! Need to say
>> more?
>
> You are being silly again. Such questions had been raised by Jim Walsh
> many times and they had been answered many times.
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Author: abian_chen
Date: Aug 1, 2008 09:44

In the US or Taiwan, protesters are allowed to shout the slogans
during political rally. In China, anyone carries, say the banner of
"Free Tibet" in TAM Square will be arrested even the person remains
silent.

And "Free Tibet" - Campaigns for an end to the Chinese occupation of
Tibet and for the Tibetans' human rights to be respected. So stop
twisting it.

On Aug 1, 12:24 pm, ltlee1 hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:26 am, abian_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I have no idea if you have answered it or not. But if anyone wants to
>> openly promote "Free...
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