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Author: J.VenningJ.Venning Date: Jul 31, 2008 02:50
"Toby" oyahooo.com> wrote in message
news:4891821d$0$12762$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...> This is, of course, a bit simplistic, since the conditions in the two
> places are so different, but one only has to look at the Han
> Taiwanese--essentially mainlanders until 60 years ago--to see how the
> Mainland might have been without the disastrous policies engendered by
> Mao. They basically lost a lot of time, were stripped of their culture and
> unnecessarily traumatized by a rather unrealistic ideology. I have nothing
> against collectivism generally, in fact I am in favor of it, but it cannot
> be imposed by force.
> Toby
>
That is what you say, from your standpoint, but those in the Mainland
having to deal with problems that arose following the Liberation and during
the Cold War had to face problems that were far beyond our comprehension.
Hindsight is always easy to dish out. The Communist ideology may be
"unrealistic" to you, but it was very realistic to the Chinese people, and I
don't think that they would care whether you personally are against
collectivism generally or not. Incidentally, is there anyone around who
cares of what you are in favour or not ? I certainly don't. ...
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Author: abian_chenabian_chen Date: Jul 31, 2008 03:42
After 1949, everytime Mao launched fanantic political movement, it
always ended up with chaos and famine... But when other leaders like
DXP, Liu Shao-qi, Chou En-lai etc run the country, China started to
recover and moved forward... And then Mao died in 1976, China has
finally been doing well ever since. Can't you see the difference, can
you? That's why the second man to DXP in the 80s, Chen Yun said that
it might have been best if Mao had died in 1956. And that's exactly
the point I want to make, that is, Mao brought huge disaster to China
during Mao years. The disaster was unnecessay and could be prevented
if Mao was not insane!!! It's not just "Great Chinese Famine" etc...
those can be repaired but the worse...things like students against
teachers, children against parents during the Cultural...
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Author: skygodskygod Date: Jul 31, 2008 04:02
it is you care not of chinese people.
you tell lies of knowing chinese people only.
no matter what problem CCP face,
CCP/PRC is on the grounding of oppressing 1.3 billion mainlander-chaan.
that is the point !!!!
J.Venning 提到:
> "Toby" oyahooo.com> wrote in message
> news:4891821d$0$12762$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
> >> This is, of course, a bit simplistic, since the conditions in the two
>> places are so different,...
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Author: J.VenningJ.Venning Date: Jul 31, 2008 04:05
>After 1949, everytime Mao launched fanantic political movement, it always
>ended up with chaos and famine... But when other leaders like DXP, Liu
>Shao-qi, Chou En-lai etc run the country, China started to recover and
>moved forward... And then Mao died in 1976, China has finally been doing
>well ever since. Can't you see the difference, can you? That's why the
>second man to DXP in the 80s, Chen Yun said that it might have been best if
>Mao had died in 1956. And that's exactly the point I want to make, that is,
>Mao brought huge disaster to China during Mao years. The disaster was
>unnecessay and could be prevented if Mao was not insane!!! It's not just
>"Great Chinese Famine" etc... those can be repaired but the worse...things
>like students against teachers, children against parents during the
>Cultural Revolution which is completely againt humanity, it has left scar
>to the society. In Chinese history, China was nerver like that and Chinese
>never bahaved like that!!!
When I mentioned it, I became anti-China in eyes of you guys, but I have
also highly praised DXP by saying he saved China, I became CCP bootlicker in
eyes of Jim Walsh, lechergod. Now I realized that I must have said something
both camps did not want to hear it, that's T-R-U-T-H. ...
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Author: abian_chenabian_chen Date: Jul 31, 2008 04:18
It's not! During Mao years, there's time that Mao stayed aside and let
other CCP leaders run the country, one of these periods was from 1961
to 1967, other leaders picked up the mess Mao left behind from Great
Leap Forward and China started to recover... So dont blame the West or
something else for Mao's mistakes!!! The reason why I posted those
videos is not to make China look bad but just want to let people know
what went wrong with Mao's rule specially after people from your camp
kept denying the facts last several days! And you think those people
really help China???
Now I have to think if I should continue to post those videos
regularly... I think I should!!!
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Author: abian_chenabian_chen Date: Jul 31, 2008 04:23
Oh I will also post the rest of videos for DXP years (1977 - 1997) to
balance the view and show how China has become prosperous under DXP's
rule...
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Author: J.VenningJ.Venning Date: Jul 31, 2008 04:52
>It's not! During Mao years, there's time that Mao stayed aside and let
>other CCP leaders run the country, one of these periods was from 1961 to
>1967, other leaders picked up the mess Mao left behind from Great Leap
>Forward and China started to recover... So dont blame the West or something
>else for Mao's mistakes!!! The reason why I posted those videos is not to
>make China look bad but just want to let people know what went wrong with
>Mao's rule specially after people from your camp kept denying the facts
>last several days! And you think those people really help China???
Now I have to think if I should continue to post those videos regularly... I
think I should!!!
>
Just like the way how others' opinions are not important to you, your
personal opinions are not important to others. This is a public Usenet group
in which everyone is welcome to post his/her ideas and opinions that are
eventually taken up for discussion or abuse. You have formed an opinion
about Mao and his successors according to your background and schooling, and
others have formed their according to their respective backgrounds and
schooling. Obviously you don't agree with others, and similarly, others ...
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Author: abian_chenabian_chen Date: Jul 31, 2008 05:12
There are two camps, one camp wants to say CCP is nothing but bad,
another camp wants to say CCP is nothing but good... These two camps
will not do good for your beloved China!!!
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Author: J.VenningJ.Venning Date: Jul 31, 2008 05:23
>There are two camps, one camp wants to say CCP is nothing but bad, another
>camp wants to say CCP is nothing but good... These two camps will not do
>good for your beloved China!!!
>
Yes, my beloved China: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J-mXgUkjHw - the
country of my ancestors, and the country and people with whom I identify
even though I live outside of her borders and hold a European passport.
People everywhere see me and identify me as Chinese, and I have to live up
to it. Whatever posters here in these newsgroups write would not benefit or
harm China, be they pro or con. China belongs to the Chinese people - those
who have fought and worked hard and made untold...
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Author: abian_chenabian_chen Date: Jul 31, 2008 05:32
You are naive! Many Chinese girls want to marry foreigners and you
know the reasons, don't you? When one day Chinese girls stop marrying
foreigners just for material reasons, then you can say that's true
"greatness and prosperity" about China as you have a dream here. But
that day has not arrived yet!!!
Oh several years ago, some Chinese girls were willing to 70 yo old
Chinese men from Taiwan so they can get out of China and move to
Taiwan for better life. Ok, Taiwan, you dont like it and you don't
want to hear it!!! Haha!
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