If China becomes just like USA, can China go bomb US embassy, in say,
London, like what US did to the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in May,
1998 ??
On Apr 13, 1:39 pm, PaPaPeng
yahoo.com> wrote:> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
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mindspring.com> wrote:>>China's youth is as obedient, unquestioning and loyal to the state as
>>were the youth in Germany and those areas with German youth in
>>neighboring Countries! Given the Repressive Nature of China's regime
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>>youth that would follow it to the end, we have another disaster in the
>>making! And another 1936 type Olympic joke that would Legitimize this
>>state! One can need to look at the adoring faces of the Youth of
>>Austria as Nazi troops rolled in!:
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>>China's Loyal Youth
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>>By MATTHEW FORNEY Published: April 13, 2008 Beijing
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>>MANY sympathetic Westerners view Chinese society along the lines of
>>what
>>they saw in the waning days of the Soviet Union: a repressive
>>government
>>backed by old hard-liners losing its grip to a new generation of
>>well-educated, liberal-leaning sophisticates. As pleasant as this
>>outlook may be, it's naïve. Educated young Chinese, far from being
>>embarrassed or upset by their government's human-rights record, rank
>>among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you'll meet.
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>>As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese
>>strongly
>>support their government's suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising.
>>One Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university
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>>the conflict to me as "a clash between the commercial world and an old
>>aboriginal society." She even praised her government for treating
>>Tibetans better than New World settlers treated Native Americans.
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>>It's a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans
>>themselves. "Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet," a Beijing
>>human-rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng -- a Han Chinese
>>who has offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets --
>>feels very alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says,
>>"believe
>>the Dalai Lama is trying to split China."
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>>Educated young people are usually the best positioned in society to
>>bridge cultures, so it's important to examine the thinking of those in
>>China. The most striking thing is that, almost without exception, they
>>feel rightfully proud of their country's accomplishments in the three
>>decades since economic reforms began. And their pride and patriotism
>>often find expression in an unquestioning support of their government,
>>especially regarding Tibet.
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>>The most obvious explanation for this is the education system, which
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>>accurately be described as indoctrination. Textbooks dwell on China's
>>humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if
>>they took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of
>>the
>>1960s and '70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat
>>calculation that Chairman Mao's tyranny was "30 percent wrong," then
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>>subject is declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s,
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>>the invasion that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay
>>blame on the "Dalai clique," a pejorative reference to the circle of
>>advisers around Tibet's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
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>>Then there's life experience -- or the lack of it -- that might
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>>help young Chinese to gain a perspective outside the government's
>>viewpoint. Young urban Chinese study hard and that's pretty much it.
>>Volunteer work, sports, church groups, debate teams, musical skills
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>>other extracurricular activities don't factor into college admission,
>>so
>>few participate. And the government's control of society means there
>>aren't many non-state-run groups to join anyway. Even the most basic
>>American introduction to real life -- the summer job -- rarely exists
>>for
>>urban students in China.
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>>Recent Chinese college graduates are an optimistic group. And why not?
>>The economy has grown at a double-digit rate for as long as they can
>>remember. Those who speak English are guaranteed good jobs. Their
>>families own homes. They'll soon own one themselves, and probably a
>>car
>>too. A cellphone, an iPod, holidays -- no problem. Small wonder the Pew
>>Research Center in Washington described the Chinese in 2005 as "world
>>leaders in optimism."
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>>As for political repression, few young Chinese experience it. Most are
>>too young to remember the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 and probably
>>nobody
>>has told them stories. China doesn't feel like a police state, and the
>>people young Chinese read about who do suffer injustices tend to be
>>poor
>>-- those who lost homes to government-linked property developers
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>>fair compensation or whose crops failed when state-supported factories
>>polluted their fields.
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>>Educated young Chinese are therefore the biggest beneficiaries of
>>policies that have brought China more peace and prosperity than at any
>>time in the past thousand years. They can't imagine why Tibetans would
>>turn up their noses at rising incomes and the promise of a more
>>prosperous future. The loss of a homeland just doesn't compute as a
>>valid concern.
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>>Of course, the nationalism of young Chinese may soften over time. As
>>college graduates enter the work force and experience their country's
>>corruption and inefficiency, they often grow more critical. It is
>>received wisdom in China that people in their 40s are the most willing
>>to challenge their government, and the Tibet crisis bears out that
>>observation. Of the 29 ethnic-Chinese intellectuals who last month
>>signed a widely publicized petition urging the government to show
>>restraint in the crackdown, not one was under 30.
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>>Barring major changes in China's education system or economy,
>>Westerners
>>are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key
>>issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the
>>debate over Tibet turns this summer's contests in Beijing into the
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>>Rights Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to
>>find Chinese angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry
>>at them.
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>>Matthew Forney, a former Beijing bureau chief for Time, is writing a
>>book about raising his family in China.
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> I had just deleted half an hour's effort in a reply. Its a lot easier
> just to get to the core of Forney's argument.
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> Like all westerners who find fault with everything Chinese his basic
> complaint about China is "Why can't the Chinese be more like us?"
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> It is eaxctly the Chinese being themselves and not like them that
> resulted in China progressing as fast and as far as she has done and
> will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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> America with just over 300 million people is in disarray. America has
> top leaders people actually distrust and who look forward to their
> departure. We have an America that doesn't know what it wants for a
> new leader and who don't have a decent slate to pick from anyway. We
> have a country that is at war with itself and with another country
> that was no threat to her. We have a country that is losing
> competitiveness in just about every sector of the economy. We have a
> country that has a front page national problem in academic
> achievement, with millions of high school graduates who are
> functionally illiterate. We have (insert your favoritye gripe here.)
> America is hardly a role model for anyone in anything. Why would any
> country, any society look to America for guidance and leadership
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> Give us a China any day. A nation of ambitious and hard working
> people who realise they have to earn everything they need. Chinese do
> not value dissent just because Americans think its a good idea.
> Chinese do not waste emotions for people who do not want to help
> themsleves. Chinese do not cringe in fear just because what China
> does will not give a free ride for Americans (whose policy failures in
> Iraq, Sudan and elsewhere are blamed on the Chinese.) In the 60 years
> since modern China came into existence China had to do what China did
> and endured all the jeers that China couldn't be doing right. Let the
> results speak for themselves. Where are China and America today? It
> won't be China complaining about her place in the world.
