What media in China is not owned by the state, and does not fear reprisals
or intimidation from the state, and is free from dictates and pressures of
the state? We already have seen proof that internet information access is
not so free and open in China.

On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:27:04 GMT, "RussellT"
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Why do you want to suggest that Chinese media must become
anti-government in order to be called independent free media? Has
there been any American media that dares to launch anti-government
campaign against the US government? American media is privately owned,
does that keep American media from lying? does that keep American
media from towing the line of the US government every step of the way?
From the view here, western media is always worse because western
media never cares about journalist integrity in reporting the facts.
Because western media is privately own, it's all for profit and
nothing else. Western journalists are always ready to sell their own
souls as well as the souls of their family just to make a buck. They
are nothing but human trash and shameless liars.

"Raymond" nizuy.com> wrote in message
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On May 6, 1:06 pm, "RussellT" telus.net> wrote:

On Tue, 06 May 2008 20:06:19 GMT, "RussellT"
telus.net> wrote:

"CharlesLiu" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Many were truly in favour of the Iraq invasion beforehand. Remember, that
was after 9/11 and Iraq was viewed by many as a strategy to effect
fundamental changes in those regions, in order to eliminate the causes of
future 9/11's. After, the majority of the media turned against it, but the
people decide also, and they did re-elect Bush. But recently, Bush's party
lost both the Congress and the Senate, so a big price was paid. The jury is
still out on whether a democratic and prosperous society will result in
Iraq. Your referenced article about China's situation, tells me that it is
not reasonable for Iraq to make such a drastic and complete leap forward.
Too far in to go back now.

On May 6, 4:06 pm, "RussellT" telus.net> wrote:

The question one should ask is whether the press is making the
citizens better. In America, the free press does not work. It prompted
a certain professor Robert Entman to wrote a book with the title of
"Democracy without citizens." Theoretically, the free press is
supposed to improve the quality of the readers/citizens through
competition. Reality, however, is far from it.

"Raymond" nizuy.com> wrote in message
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Well, it looks like I struck a raw nerve with you, Raymond. What's the
problem? The truth hurts?

No, that is not true. In a democracy, a free press is essential.

On Wed, 7 May 2008 01:27:04 +0800, RussellT wrote
(in article ):

Actually, to use words correctly, it is the CCP which controls media thru the
mechanisms of the state.

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Love, Jim
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