On Aug 4, 7:16 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
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wrote:> I agree with the following statement:
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> "In China, you're now allowed to openly criticise local officials for
> corruption, brutality, or mismanagement - for being imperfect servants
> of the Communist system. But you're still not allowed to criticise the
> actual Communist system itself. And you're certainly never allowed to
> criticise the men right at the top - President Hu Jintao and Premier
> Wen Jiabao."
>
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/jamesreynolds/
Can you then explain in your own words what "not allowed" mean?
I will maintain that everyone has full control on what he or she will
or will not say. If you disagree, you need to suggest the mechanism
through which "not allowed" could be achieved.
I don't think any government can really "not allowed" the people from
speaking out. One exception, a theocratic government with god or its
side. If the people of such a country beleive their god, "not allowed"
will be real and meaningful. From their point of view, their God can
certain strike anyone, tie his or her tongue, thtough supernatural
means. Before the thought to speak out has occurred to him or her if
neessary.
What do you think? Agree? Disagree? Any comment?
>
> On Aug 4, 6:21 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> On Aug 4, 6:11 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>> wrote:>
>>> "In China, you're now allowed to openly criticise local officials for
>>> corruption, brutality, or mismanagement - for being imperfect servants
>>> of the Communist system. But you're still not allowed to criticise the
>>> actual Communist system itself. And you're certainly never allowed to
>>> criticise the men right at the top - President Hu Jintao and Premier
>>> Wen Jiabao."
>
>
>> If you want to talk about freedom, you must learn to think
>> independently first. Don't just repeat western nonsense. As I had
>> explained, criticism is not a matter of allow or not allow. People
>> simply choose to criticize. Sometimes carefully, sometimes not so
>> carefully. So what do you mean when you said the Chinese people cannot
>> speak freely? Did you mean to say that somehow the Chinese government
>> manage to tie up the people's tongue?
>
>>> On Aug 4, 6:00 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>> On Aug 4, 5:22 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>> wrote:>
>>>>> Today, Chinese can not speak freely. Free speech is restricted in
>>>>> China. And this is NOT alternative interpretation but FACT!
>
>>>> Nonsense. No matter where one lives, he or she is the only person who
>>>> has total control on when to speak and when not to speak. What to
>>>> speak and what not to speak. If that is not what you meant, please
>>>> elaborate on what you mean by Chinese cannot speak freely.
>
>>>>> With alternative interpretation, ask lechergod, he will tell you,
>>>>> something like, China is Russia's puppy, Chinese are CCP slave, making
>>>>> RMB$365 a year. Hey, this is not China bashing, this is alternative
>>>>> interpretation as you put it. Haha!
>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 5:14 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 4:35 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>> I see, so you CAN have alternative interpretation to your favor. Then
>>>>>>> why complain about China bashing, also alternative interpretation.
>
>>>>>>> Basd on your alteernative interpretation, those moons represents
>>>>>>> idiots like you. Su Xi was criticizing idiots like you.
>
>>>>>>> You are weird!
>
>>>>>> You are missing the point as usual. The issue here is whether the
>>>>>> Chinese people can criticize. My point is they could and they can. Not
>>>>>> a matter of should or would, but how. Power game is always dangerous
>>>>>> game. If allowed to protest in the crudest manner can solve all kinds
>>>>>> of problems, then Americans should be living in utopia by now. But it
>>>>>> is not the case. Although Americans are materially better, but they
>>>>>> are less hopeful about their future.
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>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 3:46 pm, ltlee1
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>>>>>>>> Another poem by another famous poet:
>>>>>>>> 苏轼
>
>>>>>>>> 1. 明月几时有？把酒问青天。
>>>>>>>> 2. 不知天上宫阙，今夕是何年。
>>>>>>>> 3. 我欲乘风归去，又恐琼楼玉宇，高处不胜寒。
>>>>>>>> 起舞弄清影，何似在人间？
>>>>>>>> 转朱阁，低绮户，照无眠。
>>>>>>>> 不应有恨，何事长向别时圆？
>>>>>>>> 人有悲欢离合，月有阴晴圆缺，此事古难全。
>>>>>>>> 但愿人长久，千里共婵娟。
>
>>>>>>>> I. He asked about when would people have bright moon. Most
>>>>>>>> commentators said he borrowed the question from Li Bai.
>>>>>>>> 2. He asked the date of the heavenly palace. that is, the palace on
>>>>>>>> the moon.
>>>>>>>> 3. He wished to ride the wind to the heavenly palace. Yet he was
>>>>>>>> afraid to enter the luxurious palace. It was too high
>>>>>>>> and too cold for him.
>
>>>>>>>> Like Li Bai's poem, Xu's poem can be interpreted to have political
>>>>>>>> meanning. In this case, the palace on the
>>>>>>>> moon was intetpreted as the palace of the emperor. Read: The emperor
>>>>>>>> was the master of the moon. He made the
>>>>>>>> moon attractive and at the same too high and too cold.
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>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:31 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
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>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>> No evidence needed? LT Lee, That's news!!! Now I will call you Li Bai
>>>>>>>>> bashing... based on your logic...
>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, moon represents weirdos like you. PoetLi Bai was criticizing
>>>>>>>>> weirdo like you in his poem... Haha! And no evidence needed either!
>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:23 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:58 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
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>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, post the evidence to back up you claim that moon represents the
>>>>>>>>>>> emperor in Li Bai's poem "Thinking Under the Moonnight". I am
>>>>>>>>>>> waiting...
>
>>>>>>>>>> No evidence needed. You need to read more Chinese poems. The moon
>>>>>>>>>> represent something most of the time. Moonlight is associated with the
>>>>>>>>>> emperor's virtue. Nothhing new or extraordinary.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's Li Bai's poem "Thinking Under the Moonnight"
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:47 am, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:21 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My goodness! Now LT Lee offered his new interpretation about Li Bai's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> poem. Hey, LT Lee, since you have always emphasized the evidence. Can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you provide the evidence to back up your claim that moon represents
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the emperor?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Li Bai is Chinese not non-Chinese as you implied here. You are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of your mind!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Li Bai is Chinese. The "non-Chinese" is for those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know how to read/interpret Chinese poems.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:13 am, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:05 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can LT Lee show us that Li Bai's poem he posted was criticizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emperor??? Here's what LT Lee wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that particular poem is the most popular one among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For non-Chinese, the moon or moonlight represents the emperor whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtue is supposed to enlighten people such that they can find their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way in the dark. With this in mind, the poem was a political protest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Li Bai was telling everyone that he was no longer sure whether the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emperor was virtuous and benovolent or cold-hearted like frost. While
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he might still look up to the moon (emperor), he was thinking of going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home, abandoning the emperor. After reading the peom, the emperor was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believed to say, "Li Bai still loves me." And he freed Li Bai from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exle. Not much he could do if he did not want to be considered a cruel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emperor.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fro centuries, school age kids have learnt and memorized the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poem, considered the greatest poem by the greatest poet in China. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poem, in fact, criticized the emperor.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the most famous poem.
>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuang qian ming yue guang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yi Shi di shang huang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ju tou wang ming yue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Di tou si gu xiang
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English translation:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Night Thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wake and moonbeams play around my bed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glittering like hoarfroast to my wondering eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Upwards the glorious moon I raise my head,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then lay me down and thoughts of home arise.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:49 am, ltlee1
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:22 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems like China's limited free speech has really bothered LT Lee so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is trying his best to cover it up or twist...as always.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all know in Chinese history, Chinese people can be beheaded when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they criticized Chinese emperors. Some good emperors tolerated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism, some did not.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When former PRC defense minister Peng De-hwei criticized Mao for Great
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