History? In history, Taiwan is part of Republic of China since 1945
and Taiwanese have no interest in changing it. Got it, turtle?
On Aug 4, 6:03 pm, "." <....@
home.com> wrote:
> BY refusing to accept and see the passage of HISTORY
> does not mean that you can or have change HISTORY,
> you are just another tortoise hiding your head in a
> dirty old shell.Just remember you are way below the level of
> intelligence of CSB.He failed how can you succeed. At least
> he tried, you just talk like a parrot and nothing more.
>
>
my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d8e94e0b-b9ae-432a-98ca-1ba0043ac6f1@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Coward WanLF, you have to hide behind this alias. You are so coward
> and stupid, how are you going to liberate Taiwan? Hide inside PLA's
> pants and shout "Liberate Taiwan"???
>
> Now shout "Liberate Taiwan" 100 times day and night every day...your
> dream may come true!
>
> On Aug 4, 5:45 pm, "." <....@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Do something practical, be prepare to recieve the PLA
>> Don't let CSB lead the way. Ask yourself what have
>> you done to help Taiwan to prepare for the day of true
>> Independence from USA other then talking alot, but
>> have so far said nothing.
>
>>
my-deja.com> wrote in message>
>>news:517307bc-36a5-4ab2-9de1-3fffcb06597a@
t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> Today, Chinese can not speak freely. Free speech is restricted in
>> China. And this is NOT alternative interpretation but FACT!
>
>> With alternative interpretation, ask lechergod, he will tell you,
>> something like, China is Russia's puppy, Chinese are CCP slave, making
>> RMB$365 a year. Hey, this is not China bashing, this is alternative
>> interpretation as you put it. Haha!
>
>> On Aug 4, 5:14 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>> On Aug 4, 4:35 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:>
>>>> I see, so you CAN have alternative interpretation to your favor. Then
>>>> why complain about China bashing, also alternative interpretation.
>
>>>> Basd on your alteernative interpretation, those moons represents
>>>> idiots like you. Su Xi was criticizing idiots like you.
>
>>>> You are weird!
>
>>> You are missing the point as usual. The issue here is whether the
>>> Chinese people can criticize. My point is they could and they can. Not
>>> a matter of should or would, but how. Power game is always dangerous
>>> game. If allowed to protest in the crudest manner can solve all kinds
>>> of problems, then Americans should be living in utopia by now. But it
>>> is not the case. Although Americans are materially better, but they
>>> are less hopeful about their future.
>
>>>> On Aug 4, 3:46 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>> Another poem by another famous poet:
>>>>> ËÕéø
>
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>
>>>>> I. He asked about when would people have bright moon. Most
>>>>> commentators said he borrowed the question from Li Bai.
>>>>> 2. He asked the date of the heavenly palace. that is, the palace on
>>>>> the moon.
>>>>> 3. He wished to ride the wind to the heavenly palace. Yet he was
>>>>> afraid to enter the luxurious palace. It was too high
>>>>> and too cold for him.
>
>>>>> Like Li Bai's poem, Xu's poem can be interpreted to have political
>>>>> meanning. In this case, the palace on the
>>>>> moon was intetpreted as the palace of the emperor. Read: The emperor
>>>>> was the master of the moon. He made the
>>>>> moon attractive and at the same too high and too cold.
>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:31 pm, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>> No evidence needed? LT Lee, That's news!!! Now I will call you Li
>> Bai
>>>>>> bashing... based on your logic...
>
>>>>>> Hey, moon represents weirdos like you. PoetLi Bai was criticizing
>>>>>> weirdo like you in his poem... Haha! And no evidence needed
> either!
>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 12:23 pm, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>
>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Ok, post the evidence to back up you claim that moon
> represents
>> the
>>>>>>>> emperor in Li Bai's poem "Thinking Under the Moonnight". I am
>>>>>>>> waiting...
>
>>>>>>> No evidence needed. You need to read more Chinese poems. The
> moon
>>>>>>> represent something most of the time. Moonlight is associated
> with
>> the
>>>>>>> emperor's virtue. Nothhing new or extraordinary.
>
>>>>>>>> Here's Li Bai's poem "Thinking Under the Moonnight"
>
>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:47 am, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>
>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> My goodness! Now LT Lee offered his new interpretation
> about
>> Li Bai's
>>>>>>>>>> poem. Hey, LT Lee, since you have always emphasized the
>> evidence. Can
>>>>>>>>>> you provide the evidence to back up your claim that moon
>> represents
>>>>>>>>>> the emperor?
>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Li Bai is Chinese not non-Chinese as you implied
> here.
>> You are
>>>>>>>>>> out of your mind!!!
>
>>>>>>>>> Of course Li Bai is Chinese. The "non-Chinese" is for those
>> who don't
>>>>>>>>> know how to read/interpret Chinese poems.
>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 11:13 am, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:05 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can LT Lee show us that Li Bai's poem he posted was
>> criticizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> emperor??? Here's what LT Lee wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that particular poem is the most
> popular
>> one among
>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>> For non-Chinese, the moon or moonlight represents the
>> emperor whose
>>>>>>>>>>> virtue is supposed to enlighten people such that they
> can
>> find their
>>>>>>>>>>> way in the dark. With this in mind, the poem was a
>> political protest.
>>>>>>>>>>> Li Bai was telling everyone that he was no longer sure
>> whether the
>>>>>>>>>>> emperor was virtuous and benovolent or cold-hearted like
>> frost. While
>>>>>>>>>>> he might still look up to the moon (emperor), he was
>> thinking of going
>>>>>>>>>>> home, abandoning the emperor. After reading the peom,
> the
>> emperor was
>>>>>>>>>>> believed to say, "Li Bai still loves me." And he freed
> Li
>> Bai from
>>>>>>>>>>> exle. Not much he could do if he did not want to be
>> considered a cruel
>>>>>>>>>>> emperor.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fro centuries, school age kids have learnt and
> memorized
>> the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> poem, considered the greatest poem by the greatest
> poet
>> in China. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> poem, in fact, criticized the emperor.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the most famous poem.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuang qian ming yue guang
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yi Shi di shang huang
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ju tou wang ming yue
>>>>>>>>>>>> Di tou si gu xiang
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> English translation:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Night Thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wake and moonbeams play around my bed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glittering like hoarfroast to my wondering eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Upwards the glorious moon I raise my head,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then lay me down and thoughts of home arise.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:49 am, ltlee1
hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:22 am, "abianc...@
my-deja.com"
>
>>
my-deja.com>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems like China's limited free speech has really
>> bothered LT Lee so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is trying his best to cover it up or twist...as
>> always.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all know in Chinese history, Chinese people can
>> be beheaded when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they criticized Chinese emperors. Some good
> emperors
>> tolerated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism, some did not.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When former PRC defense minister Peng De-hwei
>
>> criticized Mao for Great> > > > > > > > > > > > Leap Forward, he was
>
> thrown in jail and murdered.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Chinese people asked democracy in TAM Square
> in
>> 1989, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened? DXP sent PLA to crush the protest.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's see what else LT Lee is going to say.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once more, you failed to address the issue I had
>> raised. Not saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing in a certain way does not necessarily mean the
>> people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> silenced. People in didfferent culture have
> different
>> way to express
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their dissent. As a matter of fact, a
>
>> non-confrontational approach is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost alsways best than a confrontational one.
>> Unfortunately, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech advocates frequently dwell on crude
>> confrontation.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, did students in Taiwan know that the greatest
>> poem by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest poet was meant to be a criticism and
>> understood by Li's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contemprary as a criticism. The approach is subtle
> but
>> criticism is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAM again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The student were given a lot of time to say whatever
>> they want. And
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