>On Mar 26, 4:21?pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:

>> On Mar 26, 6:50?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:
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>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@hotmail.com"

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>>> hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>On Mar 26, 4:17?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

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>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:42:53 -0700 (PDT), xi gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:

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>>>>>>How can you say that they were more happy being a slave or a servant
>>>>>>that being a fre human being?

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>>>>>>I understand that under some psycologic trauma some people prefer self
>>>>>>destructive behaviours than a normal life, but it is a pathology that
>>>>>>can be recovered, not something that a government can tolerate and
>>>>>>even less to encourage. I do not want to be in a country where my
>>>>>>government allow those fanatic monks to enslave people again, it is
>>>>>>unhumanitarian.

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>>>>>>And people who has lived a normal life, listenning music, dancing,
>>>>>>studying is school, etc. do not want those fanatics again.

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>>>>>>That is what just I think, of course.

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>>>>> I don't mean they were happy when they were slaves. I mean they were
>>>>> happier in the 1960s and 1970s when all the Lamas were rounded up and
>>>>> sent to the labor camps. It was supposed to be the ultimate victory of
>>>>> the Tibetan people, but it was all turned back when those Lamas were
>>>>> freed and invited back to their monasteries again.

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>>>>Anyone who had visited Tibet will notice that the Tibetans are indeed
>>>>quite different from the Hans or the Huis. China, not being a colonial
>>>>master, needs to win Tibet's hearts. It cannot change things by force
>>>>alone. This is probably why the government decided to go slow in
>>>>reforming Tibet during the 1950s. But every time there was an
>>>>uprising, the government was forced to enlarge the scope and to
>>>>accelerate the pace of reform.

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>>> The evil root of Lamaism is indeed deep, but by not rooting it all out
>>> in one blow, the festering wound will never heal.

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>>>>> That was one dumb move.

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>>>>Not necessarily so. It is the Zhuge Liang way although not by design.
>>>>Remember Meng Ho was cuaght and released seven times.

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>>> No similarity. There is no way to convert the Lamas. All should be
>>> shot so that no former Tibetan slaves would have any second thought
>>> about their being free human beings. When you see Da-Lie's picture
>>> appear on Tibetan altars, you know the tyranny is coming back to haunt
>>> the Tibetan people again.

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>> Not the lamas. China cannot do that. But the common Tibetans. They are
>> the one who must abandon the lamas.

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>They don't want to abandon their religion. Tibetans strongly support
>the Dalai Lama and your stupid words can't change that truth.

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>> Well, the 3/14 riot in Lhasa is indicative.
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>> It is quite obvious that the DL and his supporters wanted to duplicate
>> the 1987 demonstration.

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>It is not only not obvious, it is untrue. The Dalai Lama has
>vehemently spoken against the violence. Please don't lie.

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>> Groups of monks from veraious monasteries
>> marched to Lhasa to demonstrate. Some monks were beaten and detained.
>> This triggered a massive response with at least 1000 Tibetans
>> congregated outside the police staton demanding their release. This
>> rapidly developed into a confrontation. In contrast, despite the
>> rumors of monks protesting and beaten and arrested, nothing happened
>> in Lhasa from march 10 to march 13. Take a look at the following
>> photo.
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>> http://cimg20.163.com/cnews/2008/3/21/20080321103140eec30.jpg
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>> The photo has a time stamp showing March 14, 2008, Friday, 13:44:23.
>> While the stores were closed, business on the otherside of the street
>> carried on as usual. The pedestrains were walking leisurely. No one
>> seemed to be excited. No sign or any protest of unrest. No sign of any
>> pending violence ether.
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>>>>>>Peace and best wishes.

>>

>>>>>>Xi

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>>>>>>On Mar 26, 9:31?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

>>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT), xi gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>The people of Tibet are still shackled spiritually and religiously.
>>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>Just some of them. The vast majority live a modern life like in any
>>>>>>>>other city in China. If you have seen these days on television and
>>>>>>>>videos, Lhasa is more or less a modern city, people wearing normal
>>>>>>>>clothes, etc. Those people are normal, they just want what normal
>>>>>>>>people want worldwide a decent job, decent wages, friends, family, etc
>>>>>>>>to enjoy a peaceful life and that tomorrow will be a bit better than
>>>>>>>>today. Some will have their religious belief, but they will not change
>>>>>>>>their current life for what a few fanatic monks will tell.

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>>>>>>> I doubt that very much. Tibetan people today may have the best
>>>>>>> material life they have ever had, but I'm sure they were much happier
>>>>>>> when they could stare down their former slave owner and religious
>>>>>>> master with confidence and determination in the sixties and seventies.
>>>>>>> At that time, they might be poor but they were the real masters of
>>>>>>> their own life and they were the masters of Tibet. Today, nothing is
>>>>>>> so certain anymore. The struggle is going to start all over again.

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>>>>>>>>Do you remember the girls who were burnt alive by the rioters? One of
>>>>>>>>them wrote a message to her parents from the shop where they worked,
>>>>>>>>as anyone else could do.

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>>>>>>>>I do not know percentages, but probably even among monks there are
>>>>>>>>more who accept it than those who still intend to bring the ancient
>>>>>>>>society.

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>>>>>>>>Peace and best wishes.

>>

>>>>>>>>Xi

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>>>>>>>>On Mar 26, 8:23?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:56 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@nyx.net wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>On Mar 26, 3:06?am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 10:40?pm, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 Mac, 11:14, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 6:23?pm, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 11:44?pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 9:28?am, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a handful of white nations are interested. The rest of the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will mostly attend in full force. This will be embarassing since these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boycotting nations are of a single color also have lots of dirty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linents that they hope people will not examine.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is sure interesting that why only white people nations are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condemning China over Tibet.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These people (whites) live in comfort and they want to play super-hero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at China's expense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the world don't have the luxury.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take for example the railroad to Tibet. It makes life so much better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the real people in Tibet in terms of freedom to travel, access to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheaper consumer goods yet the white "activists" condemn it.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter what non-Tibetans think of it. How do the Tibetans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel about it? Is it fair for the Chinese government to say "We won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> let you practice your ancient religion as you like, and we will injure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you physically if you try, but hey, here's a train. Now be satisified
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with what we give you and shut up."

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>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend just visited Tibet Last years. There are lots of Tibetans
>>>>>>>>>>>> students, traders and trourist on board.

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>>>>>>>>>>> Remind me of the finding of American congressman. Like many in this
>>>>>>>>>>> NG, Rep. Matt Salmon of Arizona was told that things were very
>>>>>>>>>>> repressive in Tibet. Rep. Salmon, a former Mormon missionary who
>>>>>>>>>>> speaks fluent Mandarin decided to took a look see himself.

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>>>>>>>>>>> What did he found?

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>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, he found that the countenance of the people seem pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> good and pretty happy. Secondly, in direct contradiction to widespread
>>>>>>>>>>> report of religious persecution. Salmon saw and spoke to hundreds upon
>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of Buddhist monks worshiping uninterfered.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> People are happy using the train. Of course you think they should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> happier using Yaks and donkeys.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the lies about Tibetan being oppressed.... ?i m very familiar
>>>>>>>>>>>> with those allegations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to write about them. There may be other reader who might
>>>>>>>>>>>> read them.

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>>>>>>>>>>What's true is true, LT, and all your deception won't change that. I
>>>>>>>>>>know the Chinese government has tried to improve the material well-
>>>>>>>>>>being of the Tibetans. But there are areas where they have failed
>>>>>>>>>>miserably. And the pole up your arse prevents you from admitting that.
>>>>>>>>>>You don't want to lose face, but the truth is you have no face to
>>>>>>>>>>lose. You've lost face, LT. Done.

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>>>>>>>>> The only thing the Chinese government has failed in Tibet is the
>>>>>>>>> government did not dismantle Lamaism to root out the source of evil
>>>>>>>>> and superstition. It's the great misfortune of the Tibetan people.
>>>>>>>>> After they have suffered so much for so many hundred years in the evil
>>>>>>>>> hands of the Tibetan Lamas, today, they still have to bow down to
>>>>>>>>> their former slave master to be imprisoned in their mental prison of
>>>>>>>>> Lamaism as slaves. This is the great injustice to the Tibetan people!

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>>>>>>>>> The Chinese government only freed the Tibetan people physically. The
>>>>>>>>> people of Tibet are still shackled spiritually and religiously.

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