> On Mar 26, 6:50 pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:
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>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT), "ltl...@hotmail.com"

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>>>On Mar 26, 4:17?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

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>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:42:53 -0700 (PDT), xi gmail.com>
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>>>>>How can you say that they were more happy being a slave or a servant
>>>>>that being a fre human being?

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>>>>>I understand that under some psycologic trauma some people prefer self
>>>>>destructive behaviours than a normal life, but it is a pathology that
>>>>>can be recovered, not something that a government can tolerate and
>>>>>even less to encourage. I do not want to be in a country where my
>>>>>government allow those fanatic monks to enslave people again, it is
>>>>>unhumanitarian.

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>>>>>And people who has lived a normal life, listenning music, dancing,
>>>>>studying is school, etc. do not want those fanatics again.

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>>>>>That is what just I think, of course.

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>>>> I don't mean they were happy when they were slaves. I mean they were
>>>> happier in the 1960s and 1970s when all the Lamas were rounded up and
>>>> sent to the labor camps. It was supposed to be the ultimate victory of
>>>> the Tibetan people, but it was all turned back when those Lamas were
>>>> freed and invited back to their monasteries again.

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>>>Anyone who had visited Tibet will notice that the Tibetans are indeed
>>>quite different from the Hans or the Huis. China, not being a colonial
>>>master, needs to win Tibet's hearts. It cannot change things by force
>>>alone. This is probably why the government decided to go slow in
>>>reforming Tibet during the 1950s. But every time there was an
>>>uprising, the government was forced to enlarge the scope and to
>>>accelerate the pace of reform.

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>> The evil root of Lamaism is indeed deep, but by not rooting it all out
>> in one blow, the festering wound will never heal.

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>>>> That was one dumb move.

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>>>Not necessarily so. It is the Zhuge Liang way although not by design.
>>>Remember Meng Ho was cuaght and released seven times.

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>> No similarity. There is no way to convert the Lamas. All should be
>> shot so that no former Tibetan slaves would have any second thought
>> about their being free human beings. When you see Da-Lie's picture
>> appear on Tibetan altars, you know the tyranny is coming back to haunt
>> the Tibetan people again.

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> Not the lamas. China cannot do that. But the common Tibetans. They are
> the one who must abandon the lamas.

> Well, the 3/14 riot in Lhasa is indicative.
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> It is quite obvious that the DL and his supporters wanted to duplicate
> the 1987 demonstration.

> Groups of monks from veraious monasteries
> marched to Lhasa to demonstrate. Some monks were beaten and detained.
> This triggered a massive response with at least 1000 Tibetans
> congregated outside the police staton demanding their release. This
> rapidly developed into a confrontation. In contrast, despite the
> rumors of monks protesting and beaten and arrested, nothing happened
> in Lhasa from march 10 to march 13. Take a look at the following
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> http://cimg20.163.com/cnews/2008/3/21/20080321103140eec30.jpg
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> The photo has a time stamp showing March 14, 2008, Friday, 13:44:23.
> While the stores were closed, business on the otherside of the street
> carried on as usual. The pedestrains were walking leisurely. No one
> seemed to be excited. No sign or any protest of unrest. No sign of any
> pending violence ether.
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>>>>>Peace and best wishes.

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>>>>>Xi

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>>>>>On Mar 26, 9:31?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT), xi gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>The people of Tibet are still shackled spiritually and religiously.
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>>>>>>>Just some of them. The vast majority live a modern life like in any
>>>>>>>other city in China. If you have seen these days on television and
>>>>>>>videos, Lhasa is more or less a modern city, people wearing normal
>>>>>>>clothes, etc. Those people are normal, they just want what normal
>>>>>>>people want worldwide a decent job, decent wages, friends, family, etc
>>>>>>>to enjoy a peaceful life and that tomorrow will be a bit better than
>>>>>>>today. Some will have their religious belief, but they will not change
>>>>>>>their current life for what a few fanatic monks will tell.

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>>>>>> I doubt that very much. Tibetan people today may have the best
>>>>>> material life they have ever had, but I'm sure they were much happier
>>>>>> when they could stare down their former slave owner and religious
>>>>>> master with confidence and determination in the sixties and seventies.
>>>>>> At that time, they might be poor but they were the real masters of
>>>>>> their own life and they were the masters of Tibet. Today, nothing is
>>>>>> so certain anymore. The struggle is going to start all over again.

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>>>>>>>Do you remember the girls who were burnt alive by the rioters? One of
>>>>>>>them wrote a message to her parents from the shop where they worked,
>>>>>>>as anyone else could do.

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>>>>>>>I do not know percentages, but probably even among monks there are
>>>>>>>more who accept it than those who still intend to bring the ancient
>>>>>>>society.

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>>>>>>>Peace and best wishes.

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>>>>>>>Xi

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>>>>>>>On Mar 26, 8:23?pm, ni...@nizuy.com wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:56 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@nyx.net wrote:

>>>>>>>>>On Mar 26, 3:06?am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 10:40?pm, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 Mac, 11:14, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 6:23?pm, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 11:44?pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 9:28?am, Yu yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a handful of white nations are interested. The rest of the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will mostly attend in full force. This will be embarassing since these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boycotting nations are of a single color also have lots of dirty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linents that they hope people will not examine.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is sure interesting that why only white people nations are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condemning China over Tibet.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> These people (whites) live in comfort and they want to play super-hero
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at China's expense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the world don't have the luxury.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take for example the railroad to Tibet. It makes life so much better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the real people in Tibet in terms of freedom to travel, access to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheaper consumer goods yet the white "activists" condemn it.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter what non-Tibetans think of it. How do the Tibetans
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel about it? Is it fair for the Chinese government to say "We won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> let you practice your ancient religion as you like, and we will injure
>>>>>>>>>>>> you physically if you try, but hey, here's a train. Now be satisified
>>>>>>>>>>>> with what we give you and shut up."

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>>>>>>>>>>> My friend just visited Tibet Last years. There are lots of Tibetans
>>>>>>>>>>> students, traders and trourist on board.

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>>>>>>>>>> Remind me of the finding of American congressman. Like many in this
>>>>>>>>>> NG, Rep. Matt Salmon of Arizona was told that things were very
>>>>>>>>>> repressive in Tibet. Rep. Salmon, a former Mormon missionary who
>>>>>>>>>> speaks fluent Mandarin decided to took a look see himself.

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>>>>>>>>>> What did he found?

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>>>>>>>>>> First of all, he found that the countenance of the people seem pretty
>>>>>>>>>> good and pretty happy. Secondly, in direct contradiction to widespread
>>>>>>>>>> report of religious persecution. Salmon saw and spoke to hundreds upon
>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of Buddhist monks worshiping uninterfered.

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>>>>>>>>>>> People are happy using the train. Of course you think they should be
>>>>>>>>>>> happier using Yaks and donkeys.

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>>>>>>>>>>> As for the lies about Tibetan being oppressed.... ?i m very familiar
>>>>>>>>>>> with those allegations.
>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to write about them. There may be other reader who might
>>>>>>>>>>> read them.

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>>>>>>>>>What's true is true, LT, and all your deception won't change that. I
>>>>>>>>>know the Chinese government has tried to improve the material well-
>>>>>>>>>being of the Tibetans. But there are areas where they have failed
>>>>>>>>>miserably. And the pole up your arse prevents you from admitting that.
>>>>>>>>>You don't want to lose face, but the truth is you have no face to
>>>>>>>>>lose. You've lost face, LT. Done.

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>>>>>>>> The only thing the Chinese government has failed in Tibet is the
>>>>>>>> government did not dismantle Lamaism to root out the source of evil
>>>>>>>> and superstition. It's the great misfortune of the Tibetan people.
>>>>>>>> After they have suffered so much for so many hundred years in the evil
>>>>>>>> hands of the Tibetan Lamas, today, they still have to bow down to
>>>>>>>> their former slave master to be imprisoned in their mental prison of
>>>>>>>> Lamaism as slaves. This is the great injustice to the Tibetan people!

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>>>>>>>> The Chinese government only freed the Tibetan people physically. The
>>>>>>>> people of Tibet are still shackled spiritually and religiously.

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