> On Nov 6, 6:34 am, RichAsianKid
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>>> On Nov 5, 5:06 pm, Gods & Monkeys
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>>> On Nov 6, 6:48 am, RichAsianKid
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>>>> Wow, read this featured article. It's dated April 2006, but I didn't
>>>> realize that blacks are now complaining even across the Pacific. It
>>>> seems their specialty is in crying 'racism' everywhere they go.
>>>> Everything just boils down to racism etc., be it in the UK, be it in
>>>> US, be it in Canada, and now.... China (remember the police beating?),
>>>> and now Hong Kong, the "East Meets West" cosmopolitan city in the
>>>> world?
>
>>>> You can imagine what happens when blacks (or other vocal outgroups)
>>>> form a critical mass. I think this is what the Chinese mean by a
>>>> 'harmonious society' - a homogeneous country (or city) cannot have
>>>> much 'racism', just as an all-male military academy cannot have
>>>> 'sexism'. In economic terms, the lack of diversity - where everyone
>>>> speaks one language, worships one faith, and hails from the same
>>>> origin and shares the same ancestry - lowers the day-to-day
>>>> transaction costs amongst individuals. Not that a homogeneous society
>>>> is panacea, but you just have one less problem to worry about.
>
>>>> Reminder: Recall this graph according to Harvard Professor Robert
>>>> Putnam?
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>>>> (Reference: Putnam, R.D. 2007. E Pluribus Unum: Diversity and
>>>> Community in the Twenty-first Century. The 2006 Johan Skytte Prize
>>>> Lecture. Scandinavian Political Studies, 30(2):137-74)
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>>>> Hmmmmm. Convention wisdom says that those people who don't trust
>>>> others ethnic or racial groups do so
>>>> because they're uneducated and ignorant. With increasing education and
>>>> with enlightened exposure to all different peoples and culture around
>>>> the world, you should see people bridging the gap and that, afterall,
>>>> 'we're all the same', correct? Seems to make some sense at first
>>>> glance -- afterall you fear what's unknown, right?
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>>>> Wrong!
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>>>> In reality, it may turn out that those who are most innocent and
>>>> naive, i.e. those who have not been 'sensitized' to outsiders, like
>>>> those who live in rural South Dakota, are precisely those who trust
>>>> other races more. Just like a child naively trusting a stranger.
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>>>> But as a child grows up and has increasing exposure and interactions
>>>> with outsiders and strangers, he becomes less naive. He becomes street
>>>> smart.
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>>>> Exposing people to different groups actually leads to an awareness of
>>>> differences way more than similarities. We're not the same afterall.
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>>>> And perhaps that's the real meaning of diversity.
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>>>> * * * * Featured Article * * * *
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>>>> HONG KONG: Is Hong Kong racist? The subject is at the centre of a
>>>> debate that's raging in the city, with expatriates, both black and
>>>> white, claiming that the Chinese are - not to put too fine a point
>>>> about it - racist to the core.
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>>>> The debate was kicked off in early April by a Kundi Gore, a "black
>>>> African residing in Hong Kong", who in a letter to the editor of the
>>>> South China Morning Post, shared details of "racial discrimination
>>>> (that) black Africans have to endure in their encounters with
>>>> institutions and ordinary folk" in Hong Kong.
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>>>> Gore claimed that black Africans encounter racism right from the time
>>>> they arrive, when they are "singled out for inspection" at the Customs
>>>> checkpoint. Further, he claimed, "it suffices for a black person to
>>>> show up at nightclubs... to discover the extent of racial prejudice."
>>>> Black entrants, he claimed, "are required to pay arbitrary and
>>>> exorbitant admission fees that do not apply to other entrants."
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>>>> The message of that letter evidently resonated with a few other
>>>> readers. Paul Kotto, another black African, wrote in to concur with
>>>> Gore's views, and said that the colour biases manifest in Hong Kong
>>>> were a "peculiarly Chinese extension of the 'black is evil'
>>>> metaphor..."
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>>>> Curiously, Gore's letter drew another response - this time from the
>>>> other end of the racial spectrum, from Roger Shuttleworth, a "white
>>>> European living in Hong Kong." Invoking the term gweilo (a Chinese
>>>> racial slur directed at Caucasian men, which means, "white devil"),
>>>> Shuttleworth said he sympathised with Gore for the treatment he had to
>>>> endure but said he wasn't alone.
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>>>> Shuttleworth's characterisation of the Chinese as racists drew a
>>>> gentle rebuke from Dan Waters, a fellow white European who "has
>>>> happily lived here for over half a century". Waters noted that in this
>>>> period, similar letters had appeared off and on in the newspaper, but
>>>> said that it was the Europeans who were to blame for their inability
>>>> to be sociable.
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>>>> Waters advised fellow-whites to make a greater effort at cultural
>>>> assimilation. "First, learn Cantonese and, second and most
>>>> importantly, you must smile. Go on, give it a whirl," he exhorted.
>>>> "You'll find it works."
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>>> Asians must absolutely shit on White hypocrisy when it comes to
>>> racism.
>>> Thanks for a good post.
>
>>> Blacks have a enduring and most probably eternal racial anomie caused
>>> by slavery. This was a white-black phenomenon, Asians had NOTHING to
>>> do with this.
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>>> Most blacks understand this in that way blacks understand things. Of
>>> course a portion of niggerdom is simply retarded and can only
>>> understand things physically-spacially. All white liberals attempting
>>> to succor blacks relative to Asians should be immediately labeled -
>>> White Clowns.
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>> Blacks against Asians are not exactly unknown, see for instance this
>> article from the American Enterprise Institute, archived on
>> newsgroups:
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>> And look at this one - Andrew Young is the former MAYOR of Atlanta and
>> helped capture the 1996 Olympics. Here's the article quotes what he
>> reveals about Jews, Koreans, and Arabs. Asked whether WalMart should
>> displace those mom-and-pop retailers, he memorably said: (
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/060820_young.htm)
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>> "Well, I think they should; they ran the 'mom-and-pop' stores out of
>> my neighborhood... But you see those are the people who have been
>> overcharging us- selling us stale bread, and bad meat and wilted
>> vegetables. And they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they've
>> ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was
>> Koreans and now it's Arabs, very few black people own these stores."
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>> Article continues: After WWII, most of the liquor stores in Los
>> Angeles's black ghetto were owned by aging Jews. Then, following the
>> 1965 Watts Riots, the Jews mostly sold out to black businessmen. When
>> liquor prices were deregulated in the late 1970s, reducing profit
>> margins, the blacks sold out to the harder-working Koreans. The
>> efficient but brusque and disdainful Koreans came to be hated by their
>> black customers, especially after a Korean lady shot a teenage black
>> girl in the back of the head in 1991. Thus, the 1992 South Central
>> riots were in sizable part a drunken black pogrom against Korean
>> merchants. etc etc.
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>> It's really about whining. And when that doesn't work, smash it.
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>> But then again, when you score 2, 3, 4 or even 5 standard deviations
>> below the Korean mean......maybe you need to grasp at every last
>> straw. (Recall -1 SD = bottom 16th percentile; mental retardation = -
>> 2 SDs, or bottom 2.27th percentile = mental retardation = MENSA level
>> if it's + 2 SD; - 3 SDs = bottom 0.1 percentile, i.e. 1 in a 1000, you
>> figure the rest out....) International test scores demonstrate:
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>> The gap's just unbridgeable.
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>> Economists have always wondered why a tiny spit of land like Hong Kong
>> or a resourceless country like South Korea can rise to prosperity in
>> just one generation, while Ghana and vast swathes of Africa languish
>> in poverty. (Others pondered the same, like Jared Diamond, in an
>> interview he gave in Nature)
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>> Maybe whining doesn't always work?- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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> Extract:
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> The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ
> tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests
> were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world,
> the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about
> 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan
> Africa.
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>
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530
Thanks. I actually saw that before. Notice that your link is "Medical
Research News". It's funny when it comes to medicine (e.g. treatment
of various diseases, heart failure, high blood pressure etc) people
really do *care* and recognize genomic differences between
populations. (That's also time you don't want a doctor with
affirmative action, posted before here -- a very heavily referenced
post)
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.china/msg/61a05e401520d1b1?
It's only in popular media that we're all supposed to believe in this
delusion that every population group is the same or in fact identical.
The original article referred to above was "the lead article in the
June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the
American Psychological Association." Here's the reference:
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
A pictorial depiction of slightly more fine-graining is from Wikipedia
that I've posted before (2006):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality...
Back to your excellent article. The parts that most people do not want
to accept are points 5 and 7:
"Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain
following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to
average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota
Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race
differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106;
Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89."
"IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their
Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so
parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black
and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--
Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100."
Environment is not everything. And even if you have two high IQ black
parents, they're still way more likely to have lower IQ children. This
is probably what many find painful, and likely partly explains why
even high income black parents still have their children who perform
worse than white parents who do badly.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/1995-SAT-Income2.png
THAT's why de facto equality is hopeless. And that's why the
complaints about discrimination and all the whining will never cease.
The difference between NorthEast Asians and Africans are highlighted
in this blog:
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001623.html
"For the most part, the Northeast Asians (as a group) are economically
successful everywhere and the sub-Saharans (as a group) are not
economically successful anywhere, though there are of course
individual exceptions. I am unaware of any country in which
representative samples of Northeast Asians (Chinese/Japanese/Koreans)
are earning below the mean income, or Africans earning above the mean.
To make these statements more concrete, consider Northeast Asians:
1. Northeast Asians have built powerful country scale economies in
Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, and Hong Kong. They are
currently doing so in China. Communism has retarded them in North
Korea. Malaysia is developing at a fitful pace because of its 25%%
Chinese minority, but Indonesia only creeps along economically because
it has only 4%% Chinese.
2. As illegal immigrants, Chinese have moved from economic migrant
to economically dominant in one generation in the Russian Far East..
The comparison with Hispanic immigrants in the American South could
not be more different.
3. As legal immigrants, Northeast Asians have risen to the top of
the economic ladder in the following countries: USA, UK, Brazil,
Canada, Australia, and probably more besides.
Now, consider sub-Saharans:
1. Sub-Saharan Africans have generally not done well economically
in their home countries. There are contemporary exceptions like Gabon
and Botswana, but African success stories tend to be politically
fragile. As said here, "Remember that in the 80's Cameroon, Kenya, and
Zaire were success stories. Then in early 1994 they were touting
Burkina Faso, Gambia, Hgana, Nigeria, Tanzania, and Zimbabwe, In 1997
it was Togo, Sosotho and Uganda. So it's 2003, and Botswana looks OK
relatively--for now.".
2. As involuntary expatriates, the tribulations and economic
sufferings of African Americans have been much investigated - I need
not go into them further. Afro-Brazilians, to the extent they still
exist as a distinct group, are likewise a low income economic group.
3. Voluntary African and Afro-Caribbean immigrants to the US have
outcome statistics somewhat better than native African Americans, but
still substantially short of the white mean, and well short of the
Asian mean. This is true for other countries as well, including the UK
