24th September 1999

Let me start with Bhagavad Gita first. I find the scripture a bit long
winded to explain the communion with God (or Krsna), the various
methods, the three classes of people, spiritual worships etc. The three
classes of people could be the reason why Hindus practice caste system.
This is the failure on the part of the writer ( I presume must be a
Brahmin) to divide the Hindus into classes, whereby the Brahmins can
rule the other classes for ever. This is selfish.

So India can never be united. There will be clashes among the castes
and others. The underdogs will switch to other religions, like Islam
and Christianity to avoid the caste system.

Alex wrote:

Where does the Gita say Brahmanas can rule others?

The chaste system in India was prevalent then, till now.
Brahmins are the ruling class.
1 class for priests.
1 class for untouchable or lowest class
1 class for working people.
plus other - I don't know the details.
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Chapter 2 --Communion Through Knowledge

Sanjaya said: To him who was thus overcome with pity and whose eyes
were full of tears and bore a bewildered look, Sri Krsna spoke as
follows.

The Blessed Lord said: O Arjuna! Whence has this loathsome stupidity (I
also use this word to screw people) come upon you in this crisis? It
(this attitude) is unworthy of a noble personage; it is a bar to heaven
and a cause of much disrepute.

O Partha! Yield not to unmanliness! It befits thee not. Abandoning this
base faint-heartedness, rise up, O dreaded hero!

Arjuna said: O Krsna! How can I attack Bhisma and Drona in battle with
my arrows? They are, indeed, worthy of worship, O destroyer of foes!

"M. Ranjit Mathews" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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where does it say that others can rule Brahmins?

Waah waah seeker.....back to your ways of asking questions when you
dont have answers ?

Did you raise your ass to allah the moon goddess in a holy way this
time on eid ?

Seeker wrote:

Alex wrote:

If you want to study Gita, do so carefully. Dont be hasty. It is
kshatriyas who rule. That is why they are called raajanyas.

Varnas are by guna and work and *not by * birth alone. Gita never says
varna is by birth. Show me where.Thus it is not caste!

If you are really interested in Gita, study carefully. If you want to
drum up converts to the godless violent cult of islam by telling lies,
it is upto you

"M. Ranjit Mathews" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It doesn't....but here is an interesting article regarding the Hindu Caste
System
http://www.geocities.com/lamberdar/_caste.html

Seeker wrote:

It is set in the context of a war between prevailing non-Brahmana
rulers (the Kauravas) and other non-Brahmanas (the Pandavas) trying to
become rulers.

Alex wrote:

Prevalent, eh? If I go to Pollachi in Tamilnadu, will I find Brahmin
rulers there? If not, your claim is false. Where would you go to find a
Brahmin ruling class?

Caste system in India has been in practice for a very long time. Even
Sakyamuni Buddha said about this bad system.

Bhagavad Gita is a discourse on spiritual communion not about caste
system. There is a classification of holiness in later chapter about
the 3 class of holiness and can subdivide into 9 divisions.

When the Gita was written I don't know. But it is certain the caste
system was already in India before the Gita was written.
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Chapter 3 -- Communion Through Action

Arjuna said: O Janardana, if, according to Thee, discriminative insight
is superior to action, why dost Thou enjoin on me this terrible action
(of engagement in war)?

By seemingly conflicting words, Thou art confusing my understanding.
Speak to me about that which will definitely lead to my highest good.

The Blessed Lord said: In times of yore a twofold spiritual path was
taught by me, O sinless one --that of knowledge for Samkhyas (who are
pure contemplatives), and that of action for Yogis (who combine
detached work with devotion).